RE: A Conscious Universe
February 4, 2015 at 5:09 am
(This post was last modified: February 4, 2015 at 5:11 am by bennyboy.)
(February 4, 2015 at 12:50 am)Surgenator Wrote: Benny's comment about this suffers from the fallacy of division.No, all that was just addressing Rhythm's definition. He said qualia isn't -in- the brain, it -is- the brain, which I disagree with, and I doubt he would really want to stick to anyway.
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He insists that means that all qualia is just a material thing. However, if they are truly equivalent, then you could just as equally insist that all material is an experienced thing, since by definition qualia are what it's like to subjectively experience things.
Qualia is NOT just a material thing but a brain state. Brain state is a series of processes, and a process is the interactions of things. Benny is treating qualia as a thing and Rhythm is treating it a process. So an equivalency does not exist between the two definitions of qualia.
(February 4, 2015 at 12:50 am)Surgenator Wrote: But do numbers exist independently?Independent of what? I think you want to argue that to have the idea of "2," you need to have two real objects in front of you, i.e. that the reality must precede the number, which is just a symbol. Correct?
