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Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith"
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RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith"
(March 26, 2015 at 1:22 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(March 26, 2015 at 1:21 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: If you believe that a species evolves, then you effectively believe in evolution, because the tree of life is the natural implication of each species evolving. If you have a ring species where individuals in different regions have different adaptations, then that ring species can be cut in two pieces that evolve independently. That gives you two species. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species )

He's saying that new species do not emerge. It's not evolution.
I used to share Huggy's outlook on evolution - not for dogmatic reasons - but simply due to an over-simplified and distorted view of how chromosomes and reproduction work. It was hard for me to visualize how an individual organism with a longer or shorter chromosome could mate with a "normal" organism, and I was even more confused about the mechanism that would cause the number of chromosomes to change. As I delved into the details, I began to realize that chromosomes and DNA are much more fault-tolerant than I originally thought. That gave me more confidence that evolution could explain everything.

So I can certainly understand how a person can have Huggy's outlook. I had to go through a maze of internet articles about biology with all those confusing words and concepts to satisfy myself. I forgot most of what I learned, because it was so hard to keep it all straight in my mind. It was very interesting though. Smile
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Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by watchamadoodle - March 25, 2015 at 8:17 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Pyrrho - March 25, 2015 at 8:40 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Pyrrho - March 25, 2015 at 10:06 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Huggy Bear - March 25, 2015 at 8:42 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by dyresand - March 25, 2015 at 8:51 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by abaris - March 26, 2015 at 5:16 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Huggy Bear - March 25, 2015 at 8:54 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Huggy Bear - March 25, 2015 at 9:11 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Ravenshire - March 25, 2015 at 9:46 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Ravenshire - March 26, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Huggy Bear - March 26, 2015 at 12:24 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Ravenshire - March 26, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Esquilax - March 25, 2015 at 10:02 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Huggy Bear - March 26, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Esquilax - March 26, 2015 at 11:42 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Huggy Bear - March 26, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Esquilax - March 26, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Huggy Bear - March 26, 2015 at 12:59 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Esquilax - March 26, 2015 at 1:10 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Esquilax - March 26, 2015 at 1:54 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by watchamadoodle - March 26, 2015 at 1:58 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by bennyboy - March 25, 2015 at 11:29 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Mudhammam - March 26, 2015 at 1:00 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Huggy Bear - March 26, 2015 at 1:11 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Esquilax - March 26, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Mudhammam - March 26, 2015 at 2:13 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Whateverist - March 27, 2015 at 12:46 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Mr Greene - March 25, 2015 at 11:05 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Huggy Bear - March 26, 2015 at 11:45 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by SteelCurtain - March 25, 2015 at 9:06 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Huggy Bear - March 25, 2015 at 9:31 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Tonus - March 25, 2015 at 9:28 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by KevinM1 - March 25, 2015 at 9:33 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Tonus - March 26, 2015 at 6:23 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Pyrrho - March 25, 2015 at 10:33 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by KevinM1 - March 26, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 4:50 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Cato - March 26, 2015 at 5:18 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 7:40 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 7:51 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 8:51 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by AFTT47 - March 26, 2015 at 11:55 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Huggy Bear - March 26, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Huggy Bear - March 26, 2015 at 12:20 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Huggy Bear - March 26, 2015 at 1:16 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Drich - March 26, 2015 at 9:39 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Mudhammam - March 26, 2015 at 11:46 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Drich - March 27, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Esquilax - March 27, 2015 at 11:29 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Esquilax - March 27, 2015 at 11:56 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by dyresand - March 27, 2015 at 12:13 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Esquilax - March 27, 2015 at 12:33 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Esquilax - March 27, 2015 at 1:14 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by dyresand - March 27, 2015 at 2:20 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Esquilax - March 27, 2015 at 2:24 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Ravenshire - March 27, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by dyresand - March 27, 2015 at 6:23 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Ravenshire - March 27, 2015 at 7:04 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by KevinM1 - March 27, 2015 at 9:02 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Ravenshire - March 27, 2015 at 10:02 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Ravenshire - March 27, 2015 at 10:25 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by KevinM1 - March 27, 2015 at 10:35 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Drich - March 27, 2015 at 11:02 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Tonus - March 27, 2015 at 10:06 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by robvalue - March 27, 2015 at 4:10 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by downbeatplumb - March 27, 2015 at 11:00 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Tonus - March 27, 2015 at 2:04 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Pizza - March 27, 2015 at 9:17 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by robvalue - March 27, 2015 at 9:49 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by KevinM1 - March 27, 2015 at 10:13 pm
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by Esquilax - March 28, 2015 at 11:57 am
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith" - by robvalue - March 28, 2015 at 6:40 am

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