(March 27, 2015 at 2:14 pm)Mezmo! Wrote: I think you're kinda missing the point. You have not been moved by intellectual arguments for the existence of God, which was my path, but apparently not yours, and frankly not that of many other believers. Okay. I can accept that. Drich proposes another equally valid path which is to experience first hand a relationship with the Divine Ruler of the Cosmos.
Drich's test was offered in the context of showing that god is scientifically falsifiable. Did you read the discussion at all?
Quote:Here's a little allegory for you.
A peasant approaches the castle guard and says he wants to see the King to assure himself that he is under the King's protection. The guard replies, "Sure, but you must first remove your muddy shoes, because the King has many fine rugs."
To which the peasant says, "But my shoes aren't that dirty and are actually pretty clean compared to other people's."
The guard says no and adds, "If you saw how beautiful the rugs are then you'd understand."
"If you first show me the rugs then I will know if removing my shoes is a reasonable request?" asks the peasant.
"It doesn't work that way." says the guard. "You can only see the rugs from the inside and for that you must take off your shoes. That's just one of the King's rules."
"Why should I have to submit to the King's rules if I cannot see for myself why the rules are necessary."
"Because he's the King. If you want to meet the King it will be on his terms, not yours."
The peasant leaves. "Who needs a King?" he says.
Now add in that the castle isn't visible to anybody but the guard, that the land the peasant is from is historically a democracy, that nobody has ever seen the king, and that the guard is demanding that one must be committed to literally seeing the king even if the throne room is empty before he'll let you in to see the king, and then you'd have a more accurate allegory.
A more apt one would be that the guard is standing outside a normal house in modern day America, insisting that the king of America is behind the door. The visitor is just wishing to check these claims, and through the windows he can only see a normal guy sitting in his house. The guard tells him that he can totally check to see if the guy is really the king of America, but before he can be let in to do so he must first believe with all his heart that the man inside is indeed the king. After all, why should you be allowed to check to see if he really is the king, if you won't believe that he's the king before you check?
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