Strict gun control in france.

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 I don't give a shit about their business interests.  We legislate against business interests all the time.  It would hardly be something new and radical.

Government is influenced by lobbying from industry. The more money the industry has the more influence they can exert on government. Often leading to legislation being stopped or replaced with self legislation which is less effective.

Are you so naive as to not know this?

 Everytime someone pops up the NRA bit I wonder why they feel that they can establish the guilt of firearm manufacturers by acquaintance.

Because as that link I posted shows the firearm manufacturers provide most of the funding for the NRA to lobby on their behalf.

 The people who make guns insist at every turn that we secure them and operate them safely...

Oh well that's OK then. Of course self legislation always works and absolutely everybody is responsible all the time. Just reading the copious gun threads on forums shows that to be a fantasy. People carry guns. Guns go off. Accidents happen. People use them for self defence. Mass shootings happen regularly. But that's OK because gun manufacturers tell you to use them safely.

You are also being inconsistent. On the one hand you complain about your rights being taken away and then try to convince people that you are pro-gun and pro-gun control. Which is it? How can you be pro gun control and be satisfied that your rights are not being taken to some degree?

and some of that probably has to do with them also manufacturing the trigger locks, bolt guards, muzzle assemblies, hammer keys, safety mechanisms................  If you're ever in my neck of the woods, I'd love to take you on a tour of the Winchester arms plant, not but 10 minutes from me.  I want you to see the people who -actually- make guns.  I'd like to see you levy your suspicians against a guy named Joe who works in a factory producing a quality product....who prides himself on the safety of that product.  It's easy...when they're a nameless faceless monolith painted as some sort of Bond villain.  It's much more difficult to maintain these comments you've made when faced with the reality behind any of them.  

Argument from emotion that does not address the points that I made. Maybe you should have used the word 'shill' a few more times as an ad homimen, that would have helped.

I doubt that you'll be able to even begin to back that up.  But so what if we did start more threads on guns.....we're obsessed with our rights.  No ones squawking about taking my car away, no ones squawking about castrating me, no one has suggested that my electronics should be illegal.

Yes but not all the gun threads are about gun controls. Many of them are just for gun enthusiasts. No one has explained why Americans are so obsessed about shooting small projectiles at high velocity into inanimate targets. There are no threads about archery, spear chucking or shot putting. Not even any threads about hunting. At least then the gun would just be a tool and can aid in putting food on the table.

I don't see many threads about the fact that there are laws saying how you should drive, or which recreational drugs you shouldn't take, or the fact that the NSA are spying on you etc.

I don't own a handgun, and I don't think anyone needs a gun for anything - as I've already said.  Yes....whenever someone suggests that guns should be made illegal, someone is suggesting that my rights should be infringed.  Someone is also suggesting that the government should legislate against yours truly despite the fact that I am not nor will ever be a part of our gun problem.  That's a bit of an issue for me.

So you really are moaning that your rights to play with guns are being infringed. Amazing. And instead you would prefer to continue living in a society which is more dangerous due to the presence of guns and the obsession the American public has with them.

So what you are arguing is that you are prepared to live in a society where violence can be more easily and effectively carried out so that you can enjoy playing with your guns?

I won't trade freedom for a sense of false security, no.  

So yes, you would prefer to live in a society where violence can and is more easily carried out by other people resulting in more fatalities and injuries so you can play with your guns.

I am not going to judge you for being selfish, we're all wired differently and have different cultural values. I'm just pointing out that it is a selfish act to think that your right to play with guns is more important than other people's survival.

There is no causal relationship between stricter gun laws and a reduction in crime.  Criminals don't need guns to be effective, and laws banning or restricting guns don't stop them from acquiring them in the first place.

The crime may still take place but what would you prefer to face, a nervous mugger with or without a gun?

Criminals acquire guns for a reason. They don't carry them around as ornamentation. If guns were not useful in carrying out crime then they wouldn't use them. I don't see any criminals threatening shop staff with handbags for example. And by saying that restricting guns don't stop them acquiring them in the first place you are admitting that criminals seek them out. But that's OK, as long as you can play with your guns.

Yes, we do have a gun problem, and that gun problem is not gun ownership, or the existence of guns.  Our gun problem has to do with the existence of shills like yourself who block and prevent any and all effective gun control on the one hand...while wasting our time and resources pursuing ineffective gun control on the other.  They do this, not..I think, out of malice....but because their ideas of our gun problem and effective solutions are based upon fantasy, fed to them by actors with a vested interest....which seemed to be important to you at the beginning of this post.

You'll have to explain the mechanics of that one in more detail. As it stands, it just looks like cognitive dissonance to me.

Are you saying that the only gun problem in America are people who want to stop others from owning guns? And that the mass shootings, and violent crime is not a problem?