(August 24, 2016 at 5:30 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:What? It is complete nonsense to insist that nature isn't of GOD... the creator of nature.(August 24, 2016 at 2:26 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: Have you looked up Panentheism?
Panentheism (meaning "all-in-God", from the Ancient Greek πᾶν pân, "all", ἐν en, "in" and Θεός Theós, "God") is the belief that the divine interpenetrates every part of the universe and extends, timelessly (and, presumably, spacelessly) beyond it. Unlike pantheism, which holds that the divine and the universe are identical,[1] panentheism maintains a distinction between the divine and non-divine and the significance of both.[2]
Have you tried working with an extant infinite substance? A quark-gluon singularity with no external border?
Too many are trying to think of God's personality, which is almost guaranteed to be an ego projection...too few think of the substance of God.
Have you read any Spinozan ethics? If you have you'd understand that I'm pretty much on the money regarding pantheism. Well it's a lot more complex than that as a system of ethics, but the idea of god is essentially as I state it. In pantheism the universe is god and all in the universe are part of god. It does not exist as a separate being and is not conscious in and of itself.
The reason why I speak of god's ego rather than his substance is because it's all we have to go on. The writers of the world's holy books only gave us personality, no substance to be found because, like the Scarlet Pimpernel, wherever you looked he wasn't there. Oh yes, we got a lot of natural processes which were previously ascribed to gods, but guess what, as natural processes we now know no gods were ever involved (unless you're going to try and raise your idiotic notion that processes worked differently than they do now before we discovered their workings).
Anyone that tries to pit nature against GOD or science against GOD for that matter is being dishonest with others and most likely themselves too.
In my opinion of course.
Peace
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