(October 23, 2016 at 7:09 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: I saw pool's post but didn't want to necro.
The definition of supernatural I would use would be a thing that doesn't follow natural laws. By that definition it would have to not exist because to exist it would be natural and therefore whatever characteristics define it would be natural.
example: Water that heals you instantly when you pour it on a wound! We know that isn't a thing but if it was a thing then it would be natural and we could study it to figure out the mechanism by which it does the seemingly supernatural thing.
This is why I find the idea of "supernatural evidence" so weird and a basically useless marrying of two words. Evidence is just some thing that indicates that something exists or works a certain way.
The "supernatural" concept has been used to seperate things from science through concepts like NOMA and models of the universe that have places of privilege like "outside" the physical universe or parallel dimensions.
Supernatural seems like a waste of time.
Let's see whether all that exist are natural. I agree with you that to be the natural is to be the way things be, to have a definition and to have a definite form. Now, suppose all that exist are natural. Therefore, all things has its own manner of being or permanent way to be or way to exist, just as if we die, we don't turn into gold or paper, but always rot. Now, we know that every determined things must have a cause, just as the principle of sufficient reason tells us. If something happen like someone falling from the roof of our house, we all agree that that has a cause. That scenario is also determined and is defined. For, instead of floating, that someone falls. So with the way or the manner the things are. So, we can see that the way the things must have a cause, something or someone who give us that way. Now, either that something or someone has way of being too and therefore limited and therefore is caused; or it is not. If that something or someone has a manner of being too, then that something or someone must have a caused too. But, this cannot go on. There must be a sufficient reason. Otherwise, we must not exist. But, we do and the natural things around us exist. So, there must be a being Whom doesn't have a manner of being, a Pure Act of Being, so to explain the existence of natural things which is equivalent to answering the question why is there something instead of nothing. That Being understood by people to be God Whom is above-natural or in other words, Supernatural.
