I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?

[Asmodee]

Thanks everyone for your presence and contribution.


Now, finally, Simon, you have shown up.

Thanks, but no thanks.

You have already demonstrated that you are unable to be intellectually honest, so unless you can come up with actual evidence for your god, I may be done with this thread.

Okay, what about your being born from your parents, that is causation by your parents of your existence and life, is that not evidence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning?

Thanks dear Simon for showing up, please stay with me.

Causation is a fundamentally flawed argument.  You are taking known laws of our universe, laws which we know to work ONLY "within" our universe, and trying to apply them as the rules which also govern "not" our universe.  Before the beginnings of our universe there was "not" our universe.  The laws of our universe govern all of space, time, matter and energy, none of which existed before the beginning of our universe. To show that there was a "first cause" you would first have to show that causation even existed before our universe, something which is impossible until we can observe something outside of our universe. And EVEN IF you could show this your argument could bring one to the conclusion that this first cause was a fairy fart. You're just picking your favorite thing for what that first cause is, giving no evidence that it is the thing you imagine. The odds of you just pulling the correct explanation out of your ass with no evidence to point to it are statistically insignificant.