RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 5, 2016 at 9:47 pm
(This post was last modified: November 5, 2016 at 9:58 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(November 5, 2016 at 9:07 pm)Rhythm Wrote: -and you can stop there. I know you want there to be more, there isn't. Even in this, we have to lay the provision that this is only true, -in this universe-..because fuck me, if a universe can evade logic we can't say -anything- about it, logically.
Universes can't evade logic.
I've already told you why as soon as you say "in this universe the logical laws don't apply" you're already implicitly implying the Law of Identity.
Quote: Maybe it can be illogically logical..
No it can't that makes no sense.
Quote:.because the laws that exist here (like identity) that state it can't be don't hold there
You're already describing its identity. It must hold.
Quote:....nevertheless, we can't say so -here.
You don't get it. You can't say "in this universe the law of identity doesn't apply". I don't give a fuck what universe you imagine, the law of identity transcends all universes and your imagination.
Do you realize yet that when you imagine any universe without the law of identitiy you are already describing a universe with an identity and thereby you have already implied the law of identity and contradicted yourself?
It's not possible for there to be a universe without the law of identity. I already gave you four premises and a conclusion to show you why that's the case. You said I had strawmanned you because you said we weren't discussing universes without the law of identity. That completely contradicts the OP and all the times you have said that the universe described in the OP doesn't have our logical laws.
Quote: Which is exactly what I expressed in the last thread, about the same silly ass thing.
You don't get it. There is no possible universe without the law of identity.
Quote:You're trying to make an insensible thing sensible. This was OP's turd, don't make it your own.
You don't get it.
Quote:In the OP's hypothetical universe, it can be, and further -is-.
No it isn't. There is no EVEN HYPOTHETICAL universe without the law of identity because you're hypothesiszing the law of identity itself when you say you aren't even when you think you aren't.
"this universe doesn't have the law of identitiy"= "the identity of this universe is one without the law of identity"=nonsense.
There is no even hypothetical universe without the law of identity in the same way that there's no even hypothetical universe in which A=not A.
