RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 16, 2016 at 11:41 pm
(This post was last modified: November 16, 2016 at 11:47 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
Well basically Rhythm has repeatedly tried to get me to address the question of the OP which is, to paraphrase, "If, hypothetically speaking, there is another universe where none of our logical laws apply... and they have their own logical laws instead in their place... are those laws logical?" but I'd already addressed it more than once when being repeatedly told to address it throughout this thread.... but what I've really been pushing is that the whole question is ultimately meaningless because it's not even possible in the hypothetical to have even a basic tautology of a universe without the law of identity being possible because all tautologies, definitions and hypotheticals themselves already presuppose the truth of the law of identity. If A does not =A then a hypothetical can't even =A hypothetical and a tautology can't even be tautological. Furthermore Rhythm fails to understand that 2+2=4 must apply to all universes and not just our own because two things and two things being four things is ultimately the same as saying four things is four things or A=A and again that's a law that even alternative universes can't violate. It's basic modal logic. Universes must correspond to logical absolutes such as A=A for them to even be logically possible... not the other way around. You can't have a hypothetical universe where A does not =A because that would be a hypothetical universe that wasn't a hypothetical universe. The whole meaning behind A=A is something is what it is. If that doesn't apply then everything is meaningless. All hypothetical unvierses and alternative laws of logic still presuppose the law of identity/A=A and 2+2=4 and 2+2=2+2 and 4=4, whether there are 'other' logical laws that are 'not our own' or not. Although my strong intuition is that the only logical absolutes that there are apply to all universes and all realities.... after all if there are multiple universes it's still all part of one reality.
Still I accept the possibility, hypothetically, of 'other' alternative 'logical laws' whatever they are, that's hypothetically possible but they must be in addition to absolutes such as the law of identity which must apply to all unvierses, all hypotheticals, all non-hypotheticals, everything. Absolutely every thing. Whether real or imagined. You can't have any thing that isn't any thing. You can't have A= not A.
It's also been interesting to note Rhythm has, throughout this thread, repeatedly expressed that he didn't disagree with me whilst continuing to express things I didn't agree with, lol. And you even got confused bullshit like 2+2 can =5 because 'in another universe something else could pop into existence'
That's so fucking confused. 2+2=4 + another thing isn't 2+2=5 it's 2+2=4 + another thing
Still I accept the possibility, hypothetically, of 'other' alternative 'logical laws' whatever they are, that's hypothetically possible but they must be in addition to absolutes such as the law of identity which must apply to all unvierses, all hypotheticals, all non-hypotheticals, everything. Absolutely every thing. Whether real or imagined. You can't have any thing that isn't any thing. You can't have A= not A.
It's also been interesting to note Rhythm has, throughout this thread, repeatedly expressed that he didn't disagree with me whilst continuing to express things I didn't agree with, lol. And you even got confused bullshit like 2+2 can =5 because 'in another universe something else could pop into existence'
That's so fucking confused. 2+2=4 + another thing isn't 2+2=5 it's 2+2=4 + another thing
