The Crusades: an ongoing psychological disorder?

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Clearly because we're jealous of your faction being so blameless.

I don't see a:
1-Single centralized country/alliance/republic...hell....kingdom/...the heck; CALIPHATE>< that gathers what you consider to be "my faction" under one banner.
2-Single leader/government that represents "my faction".

So a reality check; ape; we are cut down into so many tiny factions, some call themselves "Sunnies", others call themselves "Shia" -Not Shia Labouf-,...etc, and you have me, I have no faction I just love the Quran, and God is my lord.

So please..what the hell do you mean by "faction"??
You're the one having a "European Union", or "UN", or "Russia", or "China", or the "UK".

And no, ISIS is not my cup of tea. They suck. 

Chimp3

Atlas, reporting !

Life is a chain; Chimp3, history gives birth to the present. We are what we are, because of yesterday. Without understanding what was, it will be so hard -if not even impossible- to fix what became.

Minimalist

I can't argue about the pope's motives; aside from glory,wealth and faith it seems like a very legit planning, but I don't think knights were the main striking force, I guess they only served for short periods to strengthen their own ambitions in Europe, like Richard the Lionheart.

I have to feel sorry though for the peasant who went in the campaigns dreaming of "rivers of milk and honey", and for the Muslim who saw ranks of hungry Christian fanatics and greedy knights charging at him. 

Faith No More

When did I say that? I said -literally-:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-44721.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-43178.html

Atlas said:
Some blame the Arab leaders; but they did exactly what the rest of the population does?

Did anybody blame themselves, for being sheep? 

When people believe in wrong religions; made of disgusting lies that literally turns masses of totally functional human beings into cows and sheep, then how can I ever be mad or sad? 

Right now, the Middle East is falling. The local warlords (arab leaders) are losing control; the people are facing on hell of a slap, I warned them but nobody listened, for years and years, I tried everything, talked to them nicely, called them names, showed them pictures of tortured people who fell victims to the local warlords, advised them, but I was cursed, called names, until I got sick. Physically and probably: mentally.

And so many other topics that I don't want to spam the present with. So here it is again, just for you:

-The citizens of the Middle East are so wrong in so many things. But I love to see the big picture: people in the Middle East don't have half of the knowledge any average westerner has access to; and all are living under dictatorships which were created, maintained and supported by the west.

That's the big picture.

Minimalist

It was an inside job. Saudies only acted as the perfect 'cover up', nothing is more convincing than a Saudi list of names, screaming with religious extremism that was created an sustained by a mad terrorist scholar -Mohammed Ibn Abd Al Wahhab-.

vorlon13

People do a lot of things then claim they did them for the sake of a higher good, track the terrorism, wars, killings, and you'll end up with a bunch of motives that begin with poverty and never end with tyranny and greed.


Summing it all up in Abraham or a holy book is just going in circles.

ApeNotKillApe

Here's  where I stand and ask for an evidence. The Quran forbids killing -unless if it's for self defense- and promises killers with hellfire; how does it stir terrorism? The bible is yet forbids killing, too.

It's historically proven that European knights were ordered by the Pope himself to ignore the Bible and kill at will in the lands of Muslims. Actually, religion -with both its versions:Christianity and Islam- had laws that were enough to cease murder and end the long war.

The cunning and manipulation of humans though never stopped to twist laws and create chaos out of nothing.

robvalue

I must agree with that. The followers will do the rest, either by doing or actually, by not doing. Not doing anything, is itself a very big thing. The masses though would not follow the words of every lunatic if they were more self aware. I can blame the environment; not having resources of education or poverty, but I can never neglect the contribution of masses to their own doom.





ReptilianPeon

On the stream of time, all the names are mere drops that let the events move; so many bad leaders came in the past that helped to shape the terrible reality we live now.

Mr Greene

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade

So....

It was launched on 27 November 1095 by Pope Urban II with the primary goal of responding to an appeal from Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos, who requested that western volunteers come to his aid and help to repel the invading Seljuk Turks from Anatolia. An additional goal soon became the principal objective—the Christian reconquest of the sacred city of Jerusalem and the Holy Land and the freeing of the  from Muslim rule

For the wrong word, sorry but English is my second language so I use a spelling correcter in my computer browser 
A very bad habit; I want to lose it, but I was never good at writing correct word. And also, I got used to this because of my field -I program stuff-.

Personally, I think I'm gonna score bad in the written section of any linguistic exam; though I will survive; I can speak good, understand the language greatly and also write hell lots of words !! thank God !

Now your turn: can you spell ولقد ذكرتك والرماح نواهل                                        مني وبيض الهند تقطر من دمي

Spell without copy/paste!

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I am against the trend of wearing cod pieces. I mean whats with wearing a false penis and parading around your castle! if we are going to be angry about things that happened literally hundreds of years ago why stop at the crusades, why not be angry at the saxon deposition of the Celts, duplicitous bastards or the invasion of Britain by the normans, they come over here with their castles......