ISIS is the Sauds. The Sauds own ISIS. It's America's cold war gift.

[WinterHold]

May Allah curse the Wahhabi filth.

The swarms of motherfuckin zombies fighting the filthy war of their masters is beyond description. 

Just one question: why does ISIS fight the Houthiies in Yemen?

Why does ISIS fight the enemies of the Sauds, and say hi to their fiends?
Come on, reader ! don't be a sheep.



 

Saudi flag:



Why do you blame Islam, and leave saudi arabia? why kiss saudi politicians in the mouth?



No..so many western countries are friends with ISIS. ISIS serves the west and the U.S and Israel so good in the region.

No. Motherfuckers are gaining ground because of ISIS. If the U.S wants to invade, let ISIS attack first, them under "fighting terror" an invasion takes place.
America and the west: DO YOU HEAR ME? SAUDI ARABIA IS THE MAIN TERRORIST HERE. THEY ARE ISIS. IT'S IMPOSSIIBLE TO CLAIM THAT YOU FIGHT ISIS, AND IN THE SAME TIME YOU MAKE RELATIONS WITH SAUDI ARABIA.

Look at the face of the terrorist fuck above. Two terrorists; actually.

In conclusion, ISIS is an American invention, with Saudi support both in the economical level and in the terms or religion. ISIS believes and advocates Wahhabi Islam which is a Saudi trademark.

[Jesster]

Meh. I've already stated before how much I dislike American involvement with Middle-Eastern powers. That includes Saudi. I wouldn't go as far as saying ISIS is an American invention though. Is The USA partly to blame for setting up the environment that made ISIS possible? Absolutely. I don't think that's too much of a secret by now, especially to people like me who were enlisted in the war that followed 9/11. I think you are taking things to a bit of an extreme though. This is how conspiracy theories happen.

[InsaneDane]

Saying that the U.S/The West is solely responsible for the creation of IS is ignorant.

I too dislike the Western involvement in many Middle Eastern countries, but to completely neglect the extremism all the years of dictatorship has fostered and to look at how the Muslim factions have always been killing the crap out of eachother, be it on a tribal level, or be it like the Iran-Iraq conflict.

Though I absolutely despise the "partnership" between the US and Saudi Arabia, it's ridiculous to think that the thought and act of an Islamic Caliphate is anything new and that it was set up by the west.

But when you look at Afghanistan before the intervention (Which they asked us to), most soldiers didn't volunteer to go and kill "terrorists"... They volunteered to combat the Taleban and to help the civilian population, who were being treated and neglected on the same level as the Islamic State will, if they manage to take more land.

Bodies hanging from the lamps and lying in the street, a complete ban on anything that is western and ONE media.

Oh and lets not forget the Talebans purging any tribes who would dare to disagree with them.

Yes, a few civilian lives were lost, but it is war... As sad as it is, all wars have civilian casualties and when the enemy hides amongst civilians and know how the Rules of War are and how the West have to follow it to the point.
Insurgents like the Taleban and Islamic State uses civilians as a resource.
A disposable resource that they use to the fullest, cause they know the repercussions a civilian death has to the coalition as a whole.

[ReptilianPeon]

The Saudi flag contains the Shahada. That alone would not be so controversial. The sword is quite telling. That sword tells me all I need to know about what those flags represent.

Julian Assange of Wiki Leaks says he has e-mails show Hilary Clinton gave weapons to DARSH sow that should be fun. But we must ignore all that because: "OMG first woman president"! If the devil was a woman and she was going to be the first woman president they still say to vote for her because idk. Yes, it's a very sad world we live.

[The Grand Nudger]

Saying that the U.S/The West is solely responsible for the creation of IS is ignorant.

I too dislike the Western involvement in many Middle Eastern countries, but to completely neglect the extremism all the years of dictatorship has fostered and to look at how the Muslim factions have always been killing the crap out of eachother, be it on a tribal level, or be it like the Iran-Iraq conflict.

Though I absolutely despise the "partnership" between the US and Saudi Arabia, it's ridiculous to think that the thought and act of an Islamic Caliphate is anything new and that it was set up by the west.

You're talking to a person who is positively -driven- to absolve islam of blame in any particular.  He doesn't even think that those "other muslims" are Real Muslims™.  The problems of islam, and the middle east, are -always- someone else's doing.  GL to you all the same, though.

But when you look at Afghanistan before the intervention (Which they asked us to), most soldiers didn't volunteer to go and kill "terrorists"... They volunteered to combat the Taleban and to help the civilian population, who were being treated and neglected on the same level as the Islamic State will, if they manage to take more land.

I volunteered beforehand, and I was a peacekeeper beforehand, but I saw myself as a peacekeeper afterwards as well.  I wasn't in the service to kill terrorists, I was in it to help people. That has someting to do with my sub-mos training as an in-theatre trainer more than an assualter of enemy assets (MOUT).....though as part of that I obviously trained alot of people on how to assault enemy buildings in contested streets or cities...the focus was more on clearing buildings with minimal civilian casualties when those civilians were being held or otherwise leveraged by militants..than it was on destroying the building -as- an enemy asset.  I appreciate that you acknowledge motivations like that.

Pursuant to that, and acknowledging my bias...I'm deeply disappointed that we've increasingly leveraged drones to do this for us, and that we've allowed a greater level of acceptable civilian casualties. Yes, a mout team is more costly (both in real and human terms)...but it does the job -better-, and might not make the people whom we're ostensibly looking to help hate us for sending a killer godamned robot to lob a hellfire through their sons nursery in order to hit an ied cell one floor beneath. People would sometimes cry and hug us....gear and all, when we cleared a building properly. I've never seen anyone hug a drone, or a missile. The entire situation is deeply and disturbingly divergent.

[InsaneDane]

I volunteered beforehand, and I was a peacekeeper beforehand, but I saw myself as a peacekeeper afterwards as well.  I wasn't in the service to kill terrorists, I was in it to help people.

Massive respect for you to "suit-up" and get the job done. 
I too aspired to become infantry, but unfortunately I damaged my spine in bootcamp.
While drones are incredibly effective at instilling fear in the enemy, as they can strike at any given time with good effect.
But as you say, there's not really anything that can get the job done as boots on the ground. It makes the civilian population feel better
and with the stuff that NATO was doing in the rural parts of Afghanistan, with building wells, schools, etc, it gives us an edge over the Taleban and sways the population to our side.
And I know from experience (though only with 9mm training rounds.) that room clearing and all is risky, dangerous, but incredibly effective at minimizing the civilian casualties, compared to a JDAM or a Hellfire.

I don't know what my view on this would be had I gone to Afghanistan, but as a former serviceman, do you think that the entire thing about a nations casualties, really concern civilians when it comes to peacekeeping?

I mean the people who are down there, are down there fully knowing and willing to do the job they're put there to do.
But I feel like back at home, we're often treating soldiers who are always volunteers nowadays, like they're put at unneccessary risk and that they shouldn't be there at all.

It seems stupid to me that people oppose boots on the ground, as it would possibly claim casualties on our side.

Casualties due to shitty equipment and lousy command is in no way to be accepted, but in some situations like Afghanistan and their fucking IED's, I feel like the serviceman is the best person to determine wether or not he should be there, and not some civilian at home, feeling the need to tell him that he shouldn't be there because it puts him at risk.

[WinterHold]

[Thumpalumpacus]

America and the west: DO YOU HEAR ME? SAUDI ARABIA IS THE MAIN TERRORIST HERE. THEY ARE ISIS. IT'S IMPOSSIIBLE TO CLAIM THAT YOU FIGHT ISIS, AND IN THE SAME TIME YOU MAKE RELATIONS WITH SAUDI ARABIA.

Believe me -- many, many Americans (myself included) would like nothing better than for us to tell Saudi Arabia to fuck off.

It'll be a good day when the oil runs out, and the Saudis can go back to herding.

[The Grand Nudger]

They'll lose their importance long before "the oil runs out".  Like any business, they need to come up with an alternative profit stream -before- their current well runs dry.

@Atlass,
Ofc they take us as military advisors...we're better at it than they are. What's the problem...do muslims like to lose? I hope, on the basis of that..especially, that no one is niave enough to think that we (as in the US) are -buddies- with the regime. We have an interest in them, a stake even..you might say. That's not friendship, that's business. Whatever regime we propped up in that region would be beholden to that interest, the signs change.....the product and the customer do not.

Regarldess of what you think my purpose was, I find it amusing that you can;t even accept a reality in which american soldiers help anyone - regardless of what their betters may be up to. You have to cheapen that...those lives, and the lives of the people who were given assistance when the umma failed to do so, or in the more common cases..when it was the umma itself shitting on them. I know, I know..death to america, down with the great satan...all the worlds ills and whatnot. You, and people like you..are a joke...things will never get better for you, or people like you, until you all learn to stop putting stock in this -and other- fairy tales. Has it never occurred to you that the very act of blaming your every woe on the nebulous west is precisely what has allowed your -own- cultures power brokers to sell you out -to- us, whomever we are supposed to be?

Bust down a door yourself to yank a crying child out of the hands of islamist assholes....islamists bitch about it. Train -other- islamists to bust down a door and yank a crying child out of the hands of -yet more- islamist assholes......islamists bitch about it. It's almost as if it's the yanking of children out of the hands of islamists assholes that they'll just never be happy about it, no matter who does it, where, when, or why.

Perhaps you should have led in with "May allah curse the islamist filth"?

One day, when your own home grown islamists, for which you are a tireless cheerleader, turn on you (and I think that you and I both know why they might do that)...hopefully, someones going to be there to yank -you- out of -their- hands....and have fun spitting in their faces for it, I guess.

[Thumpalumpacus]

They'll lose their importance long before "the oil runs out".  Like any business, they need to come up with an alternative profit stream -before- their current well runs dry.

Of course. I was just going with the economical phrase, not trying to capture all the details of the matter.