(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: Hi everyone, I would like to present some points for atheists to consider and I trust the exchanges will be thoughtful and friendly.
There are some very serious problems for atheists to consider;
1) R. Dawkins wrote the Universe has "no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference." Dawkins, R., River out of Eden, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, London, p. 133, 1995.
Why do atheists constantly use words like religion is evil, atheism good, when these terms are meaningless in a Godless Universe?
You would probably have to take this up with Mr. Dawkins, as I am not the one who said that.
2) If you were really an atheist, you would realize that we are ALL just rearranged pond scum and life is just a set of random Meaningless events in a random Meaningless Universe.
So as an atheist, why try so hard "Meaningfully" explaining that in this utterly Meaningless Universe there's no deity?
a) Possible responses maybe; Religion is dangerous and threatens our survival; BUT in a Godless Universe, why is humanity's survival better than extinction? If humans nuke one another out of existence, what difference will that make to the Universe??
You are conflating atheism with nihilism here. Also, why is humanity's survival better than extinction? Because I'm a human, not the universe. I like surviving. It's enjoyable. I assume more enjoyable than not surviving. The fuck?
3) Atheism; The Universe Caused itself, no First Cause needed; this requires blind faith and is counter-intuitive; very much the same as what atheists accuse religious people of, seems hypocritical doesn't it??
Once again, you're conflating atheism with other ideas and concepts. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in any god or gods. That's it. Also, if god created the universe, who or what created god? Two can play at that game. And quite honestly we have a pretty damn good idea that we're right about the big bang, but we have to work with what we know and not attempt to speculate on every detail just because we want answers. However, hopefully one day we will have found the answers to some of these questions.
4) The Big Bang Theory is Full of Fudge factors that are an embarrassment to Cosmologists many of whom admit the theory is popular because it is well funded, but how is that an objective search for truth?
Which cosmologists do you speak of? Do you have some references we could all look at?
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5) Atheistic science these days is so Dogmatically wedded to Materialism, it cannot even begin to tell us what Consciousness is, the most basic principle of human existence. Doesn't it seem hypocritical that Atheism is so dogmatic?
Consciousness is the result of electrical activity in the brain. Very fascinating and interesting stuff. Also, you're once again conflating atheism with other ideas and concepts. "Atheism" makes no claim about consciousness. Atheism is a lack of belief in any god or gods. That's it.
6) And BTW atheism has led to some pretty strange philosophies, like that of the Church of Euthanasia; Save the Planet, Kill Yourself! How can Atheists counter such "logic"?
I literally have no clue wtf you're even talking about. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in any god or gods. That's it. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that.
As a Christian I have experienced that no Atheist on earth has any convincing arguments to these most basic questions which I believe only the Christian religion can answer. I'll be honest, believing in Atheism would be so much easier in life because you can do whatever you want and think there is no consequences, but Ahteism seems so incredibly counter intuitive, that to even begin to take it seriously, one has to suspend all logic.
So you want answers, even if those answers are wrong? So much for intellectual honesty.
Thoughts?
(Again please keep it friendly, Ive had too much abuse from atheists already just for asking simple questions, and that just seems further proof to me Atheism is a delusion).
Thoughts? You provide no interesting challenge or debate for me, or anyone else on this forum. Your vast misunderstanding of the simplest things proves you to be a worthless opponent in terms of a debate. You don't even grasp what the word "atheism" means. That is quite a hurdle for you to leap over I guess. Good luck to you. You'll need it.
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It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
