Serious Problems with Atheism

[KevinM1]

If beauty wasn't objective, then why don't we have the very elderly participating in the Miss Universe 

contests? We all get old, but are you going to try for Miss Universe at 99 years of age because you think "Beauty is relative" >??

Fun fact about the miss universe pageants: the judge isn't the universe, it's people. You know, subjects? With subjective notions of beauty?

Humans have evolved to find certain aesthetic details beautiful in people, not surprisingly those that tend to denote youthfulness and fertility, and since the miss universe pageant relies on the subjective opinions of human judges, naturally certain people are going to be excluded from success there.

But you haven't given any support for your claim that beauty is objective, there. You've simply expressed your incredulity. I don't know why you think your inability to answer certain questions counts for anything.

*decloaking*

Standards of beauty are also fluid. What was considered beautiful in Victorian England, for example, was completely different than the standard in the roaring 20s. And that's to say nothing of cultural differences (current Asian male heartthrobs are completely alien to our notion of masculine beauty, as another example).

Beauty pageants select their competitors according to how well they fit the template of a particular (and rapidly aging, out-of-touch) kind of beauty. And that's reinforced by a cynical, often misogynistic entertainment media that keeps shoving these standards down our throats, even though they're mostly unrealistic. Which is why there's an increasing backlash against it with plus size models and the like.

More bluntly: they're the human equivalent of dog shows, where each animal is selected by how closely it comes to matching the subjectively chosen 'correct' attributes for the breed (and if you don't think those are subjective, do some research on German Shepherds through history).

But, no, there's no objective beauty. There never has been. Any sense of objectivity is simply the OP's cultural bias, plus personal taste, being confirmed.

*recloaking*