Is it true the Vatican has hidden historical texts?

[Xavier]

Or they're hiding texts by promonent figures that would blow apart their whole con of a religion which they've carefully made sure they will never be seen.

Would they really have kept such texts though or have burnt and destroyed them long ago?

[Anomalocaris]

I am certain the archives of any nation that ever amounted to anything over many centuries would reveal vast quantities of skeletons whose revelation would shatter the reputation of that nation. But as the Catholic church trades on false reputation to much higher degree than any nation, I am sure Vatican archives would be the death of catholicism in the modern world to fully release.

As to weather they actually hold any material shattering the myth of the historic Jesus, I kinda doubt it for the same reason I doubt any one holds any material that might shatter the myth of the historic Hercules or snow white. Myth of Historic Jesus is to far removed from any whift of reality for reality to stoop to bother refuting it.

I have heard that somewhere in the Vatican there is a chest full of penises (peni?) Apparently,about 100 years ago a pope had the penises removed from all Vatican statues.

If one were to do some digging in the Vatican gardens, I'm fairly confident more than a few real skeletons would be found. A lot of Popes were really evil bastards.

The great castration of statues held by the Vatican by pope Pious IX is no myth. But there is the other great castration perpetrated by the church that is even more sickening.

For over 1500 years, the catholic church castrated poor boys and boy orphans so they can be forced to continue to sing in church choirs into their adulthoods without losing their angelic voices. These eunuch church singers were known as castraltos, sort of like male sopranos.

[EGross]

As evidence to that, a group of Religious leaders from Israel went to the Vatican to (again) request to see if any artifacts from the Temple is in their posession. (They did this a few years before and got some other stuff loaned as a result). So to shut them up, they were told, "Tell you what, we have this hand written text that is a collection of writings by Maimonides (the Rambam) that nobody else has seen, nobody who is alive, anyhow. We will loan it to you if you guys will just shut up and leave us alone". So that text arrived and was examined and copied here in Israel.

Now if that one little gem was in their posession ("Hey, how did you get your hands on this anyhow?"), imagine what other things they have! Maybe a letter from Paul of Tarsus to Gamliel the Elder saying "Ok, I did what you asked, they believe this crap. Can I come home now?!"

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=14...44,3783183

[ThomM]

Vatican won't hesitate once given the opportunity to hide anything even slightly endangering their religion or Vatican itself.

AND THAT is one really really GREAT reason NOT TO BELIEVE in the religion.
Once has to assume that if they had any single document that provided unquestioned - completely verifiable - proof of their religious claims - they would have posted that supremely all across the world.

THat they have not done so - means even they have no real proof to offer.
So - they have to depend on the indoctrinated people who make unsupported claims.

[Gabriel Syme]

Is it true the Vatican has hidden historical texts?

The Vatican has an extensive and ancient library, for sure. Likely no one person is an expert on all the content, but certainly it is not the case that the Church is deliberately withholding some information which may be of benefit or use to humanity.

People say all kinds of stupid and crazy things about Catholicism and the Vatican. 99% of it is rubbish.

My favourite is probably "Catholicism created Islam as a weapon, then lost control it it".

[LastPoet]

Nothing compared to the claim catholics make, that a god exists

[pocaracas]

My favourite is probably "Catholicism created Islam as a weapon, then lost control it it".

I had never heard that one.
It's a good one, though...
It'd be more believable if you'd say the jews created islam, but still, good one!

[Cato]

My favourite is probably "Catholicism created Islam as a weapon, then lost control it it".

This comes from a Chick Tract. Once you research and learn what a Chick Tract is you should feel pretty foolish for trotting this out as an example of the general population's misunderstanding of Catholicism.

[Gabriel Syme]

Nothing compared to the claim catholics make, that a god exists

You are entirely at liberty to feel differently (your loss! haha).

Anyway, the main reason for my responding to you was to give kudos for your signature quote from the film "Waterloo" ("hard pounding gentlemen.....") - a great quote from a great movie.

So we are in the same place on films, at least, if not God!

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This comes from a Chick Tract. Once you research and learn what a Chick Tract is you should feel pretty foolish for trotting this out as an example of the general population's misunderstanding of Catholicism.

Hi cato123,

I know well what a chic tract is, thank you.

I do not feel foolish however, as many peoples understanding / view of Catholicism is based on such rubbish.

Well, its either based on tracts, or on stand-up comedy, or on media reporting which obsesses about catholic abuse cases while ignoring all others.

I have never met a secular or athiest person who was even remotely well informed about Catholicism, or had given any of its stances a fair crack of the whip with their analysis.

Instead, most people are happy to dismiss us with a sneer and and ill-informed jibe about crusades, or the inquisition or something else from the distant past, of which they know little.

The reason this sneering is so popular, is because its a lot easier than trying to deny the truth.

Take it easy

[downbeatplumb]

I have never met a secular or athiest person who was even remotely well informed about Catholicism, or had given any of its stances a fair crack of the whip with their analysis.

What not even the ex-Catholic atheists!

http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/excatholcscoalition