ALL HAIL CAPITALISM

[NoMoreFaith]

Good idea Cinjin.

Maybe they can get this company in, and pay them more money based on how many people they kill in a year.

How could that possibly go wrong.

The whole point is to do away with those who would hurt and kill others - not pay for them to go to prison to get a free education in the pursuit of criminal activities.
You also do not have a legitimate point by asking me "How could that go wrong?" when the system we currently have has gone COMPLETELY wrong.

Saying its not legitimate does not make it so.

Its absolutely legitimate. You said so yourself.
If they can't get the incarceration system right, how the HELL can you trust them with human life.

Proclaimers of the virtues of the death penalty seem to couple it with a utopian incorruptible system to ensure only the "obviously" guilty are killed.

Experience should tell you, that is not only highly unlikely, but almost certain not to be the case.

The death penalty is like communism, it sounds like a great idea, until you try to implement it.

[Cinjin]

It wasn't meant to be rhetoric, it does seem that your motivation is revenge. If it is not, feel free to clarify.

And as for someone who killed my child, I would much rather they get a life sentence if executing them meant that even one innocent person could be executed in the process. Then again, I would probably make sure they weren't around to serve a life sentence myself, however, I would make sure no innocent would be hurt in the process. Yes, it would be revenge, and I am not afraid to admit that it would be an appeal to baser emotions. I would not, however, seek revenge if it meant even one innocent person was hurt in the process.

As long as you're aware that even you believe that it is ok to kill people when it is absolutely justified. Don't worry, you're not alone, everyone feels that way ... they just hate admitting it.

Innocent people die every day. Even on a legitimate battlefield there are "acceptable losses". Millions die unfairly. I find it completely unacceptable to burden our society with scum bags to safeguard a tiny percentage of unlucky individuals when there are millions upon millions of unlucky individuals all over the globe dying for various unwarranted reasons.

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Saying its not legitimate does not make it so.

Its absolutely legitimate. You said so yourself.
If they can't get the incarceration system right, how the HELL can you trust them with human life.

Proclaimers of the virtues of the death penalty seem to couple it with a utopian incorruptible system to ensure only the "obviously" guilty are killed.

Experience should tell you, that is not only highly unlikely, but almost certain not to be the case.

The death penalty is like communism, it sounds like a great idea, until you try to implement it.

First of all, you need to get your quotes right. I never said this:

If they can't get the incarceration system right, how the HELL can you trust them with human life.

Please do not misquote me again.

Secondly, I never claimed that any system is incorruptible. Please do not put words in my mouth to make your argument.

Thirdly, you said that "experience should tell you" ... what experience? This country has never instituted what I am proposing so you need to qualify that statement.

Fourthly, communism and the death penalty??? The death penalty IS implemented in this country so exactly what are you talking about???

[renew]

I must admit I agree with Cinjin regarding pedophiles and rapists. The only addition is to throw their bodies to the scavengers, don't even waste the money to bury them.

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[reverendjeremiah]

They no longer get the prison beatings and rapes that the system use to dole out to that sort of scum.

Wait...you want people locked up for raping people because its wrong, but you want those people to be raped constantly because you think its right?

You have obviously NOT thought this through very well.

[NoMoreFaith]

If I was quoting you, I'd use quote marks. Untwist those knickers.

The point is, you are claiming the point is not legitimate because the current system is wrong.

If you propose a death penalty system instead, then you are placing the trust into a similar system, with much higher stakes.
If the system is flawed, the last thing you do is give them MORE power.

The same goes for the second point, its not putting words in their mouth, if I have to spell it out for you, I'm asking you why you would consider the death penalty a reasonable alternative in a system where corruption is rife.

The same goes for the third point, the system has been implemented in many states and countries, and nobody can point to one where it is done well. It also links into the corruption argument again.

Fourthly, communism was an analogy, and that should have been clear. I'm quite confident most people would read it as such, so I apologise if it wasn't clear to you.
The point is, you can envision a society where things sound much fairer, and I admit, there are some crimes which I feel I'd gladly put them to death as an instinctual reaction, but the fair implementation of the system, is unlikely to achieve the desired effect.
Such is the analogy with communism.

In the interests of discussion, calm down, I'm arguing my point of view, and if I quote you, I will always use quote marks.

EDIT: So that this doesn't get heated, I apologise for saying you said so yourself, it was rhetoric in nature, and I didn't realise you'd take it literally, it was purely meant as above, that you claim the system is corrupt and believe the corrupt system should be allowed to kill. I'd rather this was a civil exchange.

[Cinjin]

They no longer get the prison beatings and rapes that the system use to dole out to that sort of scum.

Wait...you want people locked up for raping people because its wrong, but you want those people to be raped constantly because you think its right?

You have obviously NOT thought this through very well.

No Reverend, I do not. I'm saying that I have heard that argument often from people who say the death penalty only saves them from prison beatings and rapes. That is the punishment that they console themselves with. I don't justify ANY form of rape.

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If I was quoting you, I'd use quote marks. Untwist those knickers.

In the interests of discussion, calm down, I'm arguing my point of view, and if I quote you, I will always use quote marks.

EDIT: So that this doesn't get heated, I apologise for saying you said so yourself, it was rhetoric in nature, and I didn't realise you'd take it literally, it was purely meant as above, that you claim the system is corrupt and believe the corrupt system should be allowed to kill. I'd rather this was a civil exchange.

Backpeddle some more ...

You wrote the words, you said it yourself and then followed those up with a bold faced statement of words that YOU put in my mouth. Now you're acting incredulous as if I had lost my temper. The only person who needs to chill here is you and when you do so I will continue conversing with you. My side of the exchange has been nothing but civil. You sir are the only one here who needs to calm down.

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Two wrongs don't make a right.

how quaint and pathetic. On so many levels that statement does not apply.

[NoMoreFaith]

Backpeddle some more ...

You wrote the words, you said it yourself and then followed those up with a bold faced statement of words that YOU put in my mouth. Now you're acting incredulous as if I had lost my temper. The only person who needs to calm down here is you and when you do so I will continue conversing with you. My side of the exchange has been nothing but civil. You sir are the only one here who needs to calm down.

I stand by my the original statement, and I'm willing to bet most people who read it recognised it as the rhetorical device it was.
I used quote marks to quote exactly what you said, and used a rhetorical device to explain the contradiction.

If you don't want to accept an apology that I didn't expect you to take it literally, what can I do. If anyone else wants to tell me that they thought I was putting words in your mouth and I have been uncivil, I will crawl humbly and beg forgiveness.

If we can get back to the discussion, maybe you can explain how you would balance out a system you know doesn't work, with the concept of giving them the power to hand out life or death judgements.

[Doubting Thomas]

Sorry, I was distracted by the Republican Dating ad which popped up in that video. Is that for guys looking for a WIFE*?

*Wash, Iron, Fuck, Etc.

[Minimalist]

Most ARE guilty and the handful that are not are simply unlucky.

I can't go along with you on that, Cinj.

I can think of nothing worse than the state executing an innocent man in my name.