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RE: Militant atheism: Why it exists, and why we need it.
April 22, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Hey creed, it sounds like you need a xanex. dang man. I acknoledge that there have been times in history that athiests havent been given equal respect however nobody has. its the result of the broken world that we all live in. the jews were gassed in the millions in nazi germany. the blacks were enslaved here in america and around the world. christians have also been persecuted throught history in the roman coliseum and have been forced underground in the middle east and communist china. athiest leaders have murderd millions and millions of people. It is my belief the reason that we have people like al sharpton and the black panthers is because they believe in something. its nearly impossible to organize a group of people that believe in nothing. even the word anti-thiest sounds more like you are against the people that choose to believe and not as interested in your right to believe in nothing. It boggles my mind how we have never met and yet you say "fuck me"? I guess i just dont understand. During the easter season when I see pictures of the easter bunny it dosent send me into a meltdown just because i dont believe in the easter bunny. Help me to understand why It offends you to see anything of a spiritual nature posted up in a public place. Im not trying to offend you, I truely dont understand it. I could be wrong, i dont know you but is seems as if you have no degree of peace in your life and I hope you can find your way. Notice i didnt say my way. Much love.
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RE: Militant atheism: Why it exists, and why we need it.
April 22, 2012 at 4:33 pm
(April 22, 2012 at 1:49 pm)deciple Wrote: its nearly impossible to organize a group of people that believe in nothing. We don't "believe in nothing". That isn't what an atheist is.
Quote:even the word anti-thiest sounds more like you are against the people that choose to believe and not as interested in your right to believe in nothing.
Not all of us are "anti-theists" either.
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April 22, 2012 at 5:15 pm
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RE: Militant atheism: Why it exists, and why we need it.
April 22, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Ah, yes tiberius i suppose i could have chosen my words a little more carefully there. I guess everybody believes in something its just that atheists dont believe that God exists. What I dont understand i suppose is the hostility shown to believers. I can certainly understand if somebody gets uppity because you choose not to believe as they do. For me personally I have a few friends that do not believe and I do not let that define who they are as a person. We get along just fine because we have alot in common as well. Its just weird to me to take a militant stance on something simply because of a view that you hold because sombody dosent agree with you. Im sure that there are plenty of militant atheists that are that way because of experiences they have had with christians but I ask you not to judge all of us because of the actions of a few. even the 12 disciples had a bad apple in there midst  peace
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RE: Militant atheism: Why it exists, and why we need it.
April 22, 2012 at 6:11 pm
(April 22, 2012 at 1:49 pm)deciple Wrote: believe in nothing.
What makes you think we believe in nothing?
I believe in a few things, like principles and standards among other things. Just lack any religious belief. That doesn't mean we're devoid of belief.
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April 22, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Quote:What I dont understand i suppose is the hostility shown to believers.
That statement is not true,at least not for me. In daily life I rarely have a cross word with believers. That is because they mind their own business and stay out of my face.
It's true I'm often downright aggressive to some of the believers we get here. To be hostile BECAUSE they are believers would be bigoted. I become hostile with people who are arrogant and willfully ignorant. Not my fault that they are mostly ALSO believers.
Case in point;read Gilligan's idiotic thread on god smiting people who mock him. The ridicule and hostility he is getting is because he comes across as a willful ignoramus who also happens to be a believer. I hope you see the difference. 
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April 22, 2012 at 8:38 pm
(April 22, 2012 at 7:36 pm)padraic Wrote: Quote:What I dont understand i suppose is the hostility shown to believers.
That statement is not true,at least not for me. In daily life I rarely have a cross word with believers. That is because they mind their own business and stay out of my face.
It's true I'm often downright aggressive to some of the believers we get here. To be hostile BECAUSE they are believers would be bigoted. I become hostile with people who are arrogant and willfully ignorant. Not my fault that they are mostly ALSO believers.
Case in point;read Gilligan's idiotic thread on god smiting people who mock him. The ridicule and hostility he is getting is because he comes across as a willful ignoramus who also happens to be a believer. I hope you see the difference.
Hey padraic, yes i can surely see the difference there. I think thats just confrontational human nature really. Gilligan probably dosent realize that that could come off even a little threatening denpending on how you look at it. Im sure he probably didnt mean any harm. At least it makes us think about it at least for a second. although I agree with most on that topic that those people that mocked god probably didnt get struck down because of that fact. The God that i serve is rich in mercy and slow to anger. Back on subject, you seem like a reasonable person having read your post and i look forward to talking on the forum. And I agree with you its very hard not to be aggressive if sombody gets in your face about something be it about religion or evn sports teams. i wont hold it against ya
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April 22, 2012 at 9:45 pm
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Quote:I'm sure he probably didnt mean any harm.
Don't care about his intentions. As Forrest Gump said "stupid is as stupid does"
Quote: At least it makes us think about it at least for a second.
You? Probably. Me ? Not for a nano second. The argument is stultifying in its ignorance stupidity . 
Quote:. Back on subject, you seem like a reasonable person having read your post
WHAT? How dare you! What are you trying to do do,ruin my reputation? 
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RE: Militant atheism: Why it exists, and why we need it.
April 23, 2012 at 4:57 am
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(April 22, 2012 at 1:49 pm)deciple Wrote: athiest leaders have murderd millions and millions of people.
There is a difference between murdering people in the name of God, and in the name of politics.
No leader has murdered because they are atheist, but there are plenty who have murdered because they are theist.
(April 22, 2012 at 6:03 pm)deciple Wrote: I ask you not to judge all of us because of the actions of a few. even the 12 disciples had a bad apple in there midst peace
Actually, militant atheism has little to do with the individual. Nobody would care if theism was harmless, but as a whole, it is responsible for restricting education, perpetrating hostility and inequality and a long list of misdemeanors in the name of a unfalsifiable hypothesis proposed in antiquity.
Even the most pleasant theist in the world, still provides the bedrock of passive support for the extremist actions through shared belief.
Fundamentalists thrive on this passive support, even if their direct actions are not.
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RE: Militant atheism: Why it exists, and why we need it.
April 23, 2012 at 7:25 pm
(April 23, 2012 at 4:57 am)NoMoreFaith Wrote: (April 22, 2012 at 1:49 pm)deciple Wrote: athiest leaders have murderd millions and millions of people.
There is a difference between murdering people in the name of God, and in the name of politics.
No leader has murdered because they are atheist, but there are plenty who have murdered because they are theist.
(April 22, 2012 at 6:03 pm)deciple Wrote: I ask you not to judge all of us because of the actions of a few. even the 12 disciples had a bad apple in there midst peace
Actually, militant atheism has little to do with the individual. Nobody would care if theism was harmless, but as a whole, it is responsible for restricting education, perpetrating hostility and inequality and a long list of misdemeanors in the name of a unfalsifiable hypothesis proposed in antiquity.
Even the most pleasant theist in the world, still provides the bedrock of passive support for the extremist actions through shared belief.
Fundamentalists thrive on this passive support, even if their direct actions are not.
You are correct in saying there is a difference in murdering people in the name of God vs the name of politics. And more athiest leaders have murderd their OWN people in the name of politics. So shouldnt a war against politics be 1st priority? Its true the name of God has been invoked in order to wage war which in my opinion is a horrible thing. Not nearly the amount of war has been waged in the name of god as most people believe. We of course, have the crusades and alot of the wars of the bible itself. But no wars in modern history have been waged in the name of God. Its also true that the church has been part of many an atrocity, the salem witch trials, and the dark ages come to mind off hand. I can say without doubt nobody you know has been burned at the stake for their non belief and nobody I know has ever burned anybody at the stake. Today in 2012 forgive me if im wrong but arent atheists given equal protection under the law? Arent you allowed to freely assemble in public and have a march or rally? As you should be allowed to do I might add. Worldwide in recent history atheism is more tolerated than christianity. We have the theocracy of iran where you could be executed and a few other throwback states but you can also be excecuted there for being anything other than muslim. Now i realize that you may not be able to get a job if the employer is a raving judgemental christian but on the flipside i may not get a job somewhere if the employer is a raving judgemental atheist. In both cases it would be a tragedy. Now there is the issue of cults and the occasional nutjob such as joseph kony or christian militias that want to wage a war for god. We thiests should not be held accountable for those detestable people any more than all black people should be held accountable for a few that formed the bloods and crips. looking forward to your thoughts. peace.
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