So lemme get this straight

[Rev. Rye]

So you can end up like this guy?

Holy fuck!! That was horrifying!!

I'm seriously considering making a dissection of my own of this tract.

[Forsaken]

Whether you consider this reliable or not is not the true issue. In that if One wishes to worship and follow the God of the bible then that person is bound to the bible for revelation. Why? Because the bible sets the tome and understanding for the God described within it's pages. Therefore if one wishes to worship the God of the bible then by the bible is he bound.

Reliability is the ISSUE here Drich. You are very true in saying that a person who follows the god of the bible is bound by the bible. Why should it just end there? Why can't you for once step out of the bible and then approach the situation at hand through a balanced view.

[Drich]

Really, this is all their god would have to do to get me to consider worshiping him ... just once, show the fuck up.

What if God does not want people to worship him under those conditions? why would he "show up?"

[michaelsherlock]

In the verses I alluded to earlier. They establish the trinity by showing God the Father being a separate being, from God the Son, and God the Son being a separate entity from God the Holy Spirit.

Are they sourced, or supported by 1 John 5:7-8?

Three separate beings with the Same title, forms a trinity. We are told to Worship God, therefore we are to worship the triune God.

Yes, and before it was called a trinity, it was referred to as a trimurti.

It is from the same books that establish Jesus as God the Son.

Which is?

Whether you consider this reliable or not is not the true issue.

This is a very good point. Subjective beliefs, no matter which way they go, are not true things, aye!


In that if One wishes to worship and follow the God of the bible then that person is bound to the bible for revelation.

What is the definition of "revelation?"

Why? Because the bible sets the tome and understanding for the God described within it's pages.

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.
Luke 19:27

Who, I admit is a seperate entity from this one:

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.



The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."



Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.
Judges 21:10-24





Therefore if one wishes to worship the God of the bible then by the bible is he bound.
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[Drich]

Reliability is the ISSUE here Drich.

Actually it's not. Accountability is. In that we will be held accountable to what is written in the bible by the God of the bible. If their is an issue with accuracy then He is responsible for it not us. It is up to Him to make a change with something like the discovery of the scrolls of Qumran or He is required to forgive us for following the only book He has authorized for us to follow. So again our responsibility ends with accountability not the judgment of scriptural accuracy.

You are very true in saying that a person who follows the god of the bible is bound by the bible. Why should it just end there?

If for no other reason: God said so.

Why can't you for once step out of the bible and then approach the situation at hand through a balanced view.

Because worshiping God has nothing to do with the perception or approval of your peers.

[Forsaken]

What if God does not want people to worship him under those conditions? why would he "show up?"

So why did he show up 2 thousands years ago?

[michaelsherlock]

So why did he show up 2 thousands years ago?

Did he? Prove it.

[Aegrus]

So why did he show up 2 thousands years ago?

Did he? Prove it.

Forsaken isn't claiming that Jesus showed up, he's posing that question as a challenge to the previous poster. He's humoring Drich. I think.

[michaelsherlock]

So why did he show up 2 thousands years ago?

Did he? Prove it.

Forsaken isn't claiming that Jesus showed up, he's posing that question as a challenge to the previous poster. He's humoring Drich. I think.

I really need to get more forum savvy!

[Cinjin]

Really, this is all their god would have to do to get me to consider worshiping him ... just once, show the fuck up.

What if God does not want people to worship him under those conditions? why would he "show up?"

What if, what if ... what if's count for nothing, but I'll still play for a moment. (probably a really bad decision - as these things go nowhere)

What is it about all the god's in the universe requiring people to not only love, but to believe. What is it with believing that is so important to a god?? If my father left me when I was 3 months old and my mother demanded that I not only love him, but simply believe that he also loves me beyond comprehension - I'd have a real god damn problem with that because the evidence is to the contrary. So would anyone. You see, it makes no sense. I kind of understand that a god would want to be loved ... I get that, but what is so god damn important about being believed in???? What does belief prove to a god?? Why would he possibly require that?? Show up mother fucker. Prove that you love me and perhaps I will love you in return. The comparison would finish with your mom threatening to beat you every day if you didn't tell her that you loved your absent father and believed that he loved you with all his heart. It's just ridiculous.


"God proved he loved us by sending his Son to die for us" ... in 3, 2 , 1 ...