(May 18, 2012 at 1:10 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Now, according to theology, that person [Christian] is going to heaven. The one who was killed [non-Christian] is eternally getting punished. Where's the justice?First, the question posed leaves too many questions unanswered to determine the eternal fate of both people. It also assumes the Christian automatically gets saved and all non-Christian go to Hell. That said God, in His foreknowledge, provides each person with as much time as they need to choose: spiritual life or the second death.
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  (May 18, 2012 at 4:20 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: need to choose: spiritual life or the second death. Or perhaps you got it wrong and it's - Be a decent human being or fuck off.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity. Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist. You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them. 
Apparently not being a christian is worse than being a murderer. Seems legit
![[Image: bloodyheretic.png]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=img849.imageshack.us%2Fimg849%2F8673%2Fbloodyheretic.png) "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds." Einstein When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down happy. They told me I didn't understand the assignment. I told them they didn't understand life. - John Lennon 
Well I know you won't like the answer, but according to Christians, it is not on their own merit whether they receive Salvation or not, but on the will and mercy of God (I think this may be unique among Christianity as other religions put the more of Salvation more in the hands of man).
So no. It's not justice, it's mercy. (May 18, 2012 at 4:44 pm)Polaris Wrote: Well I know you won't like the answer, but according to Christians, it is not on their own merit whether they receive Salvation or not, but on the will and mercy of God (I think this may be unique among Christianity as other religions put the more of Salvation more in the hands of man). It's perverted actually "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds." Einstein When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down happy. They told me I didn't understand the assignment. I told them they didn't understand life. - John Lennon (May 18, 2012 at 5:25 pm)BloodyHeretic Wrote:(May 18, 2012 at 4:44 pm)Polaris Wrote: Well I know you won't like the answer, but according to Christians, it is not on their own merit whether they receive Salvation or not, but on the will and mercy of God (I think this may be unique among Christianity as other religions put the more of Salvation more in the hands of man). So is demanding that someone be sentenced to death. Guess religious belief has come a long way since the Old Testament days...though of course there are still those who have yet to get with the times.  Drich Wrote:Death/murder is the ultimate/unforgivable sin. Denying the Holy Spirit is. the one who died early committed this sin while the one who killed his brother did not. So the 'criminal' gets rewarded in the end while the one that did nothing wrong (apart from indirect blasphemy of the holy spirit by not believing) is punished? This is considered fair? Why doesn't the murderer get some sort of punishment, because that would be justice at work. ChadWooters Wrote:First, the question posed leaves too many questions unanswered to determine the eternal fate of both people. It also assumes the Christian automatically gets saved and all non-Christian go to Hell. That said God, in His foreknowledge, provides each person with as much time as they need to choose: spiritual life or the second death.I thought in your eyes hell was simply the non-existence of your 'soul' for all eternity. How does one get a second chance to believe if one is non-existent? Or maybe I've misunderstood what you mean by 'second death'. Polaris Wrote:Well I know you won't like the answer, but according to Christians, it is not on their own merit whether they receive Salvation or not, but on the will and mercy of God (I think this may be unique among Christianity as other religions put the more of Salvation more in the hands of man).So in other words the evildoer can be rewarded through salvation while the non-believer who possibly lived a morally good life gets the punishment? And all because of a trivial point which is if they believed in God or not? To me that sounds like discrimination... maybe that sounds kind of funny, but in all seriousness how can someone's fate be determined by which box they ticked to the question 'do you believe in God'? Why doesn't the evildoer get some sort of punishment? "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
They do. It's called prison.
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
(May 18, 2012 at 6:32 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(May 18, 2012 at 5:25 pm)BloodyHeretic Wrote: It's perverted actuallyCould you elaborate on that sentiment? It's a perversion of reason and justice that a murderer turned christian should receive heaven as eternal reward while his victim burns in hell fire. To call that mercy is twisted, why not save the victim too, in an act of mercy? It's perverted "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds." Einstein When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down happy. They told me I didn't understand the assignment. I told them they didn't understand life. - John Lennon |
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