The Brain=Mind Fallacy

[Brian37]

I HATE THE WORD "MIND" it is a bullshit word. We are merely literally our brains. What you call "mind" is not what we are claiming.

Here.

Brain=car
Speed=our personalities,. We are the car in motion.

Sorry if that isn't sexy enough for you. But that is reality.

[Anomalocaris]

Most of the atheists on this forum make a habit of dodging their burden of proof when it comes to defending the material basis for subjective experiences.

The typical atheist claim is that material processes, at the level of classical physics, i.e. elecro-chemical reations, produce non-physical subjective experiences. That is a very extraordinary, though common, claim. The theory that subjective experience = brain state is so woefully inadequate as to be on the same level as creationism. And here is why.

Mental phenomena have no mass or volume, so whatever is happening, must be happening outside of classical physics. Explaining consciousness as an emergent property of matter at the scale of classical physics defies logic. The most common example of emergence is the relationship between a car and its parts. Drivability for example is a property of the car but not any of the parts. This analogy is flawed. First, it only describes a functional relationship. Functional relationships describe what thoughts do, not what a thoughts are, how they feel, or why they occur at all. Second, a car shares basic physical properties with its parts. Parts respond to heat and collisions in the same way that the car as a whole does. Not so with brain matter and thought. Although they are functionally related, what we call mind and the brain have no shared physical properties. Physical trauma to the brain may alter the contents of consciousness, but it doesn’t make any sense to describe a thought as being physically damaged. For example, you could dye the brain green and it wouldn't make the thoughts green.

In previous threads I have defended a panpsychic philosophy. However, this time I want to see you, materialist atheist, defend the claim that mental experiences reduce to physical processes.

1st, you lost your brains when you became a "panpsychic" utterer of mumbo jumbo. 2nd you lost your mind when, as purveyor of mumbo jumbo, you came here pretending to having anything worthwhile to say. Having neither brain nor mind, what qualifies you to speak about either?

[Neo-Scholastic]

1st, you lost your brains when you became a "panpsychic" utterer of mumbo jumbo.

Please refute that position on the appropriate thread. This thread was started for people to defend materialist explanations of subjective experience.

2nd you lost your mind when you act as you could ever have or could have had anything useful to say.

Please, either make a productive contribution to the thread or keep your insults to yourself.

Having neither brain nor mind, what qualifies you to speak about either?

Please attack the opinions and not the person.

[Reforged]

"Thoughts" don't do anything, the word "thought" is a place card word to an abstraction. You are accusing the "speed" of the car as being the car itself.

"thoughts" are merely the outcome of our material processes, much like 55mph is the observation of "speed" of the car. Speed is not a thing, but a description of the material process of the car moving faster.

We do have reactions to thoughts when we have them or express them in physical communication. Just like if we were crossing the street and we would react to the "speed" of the physical car if it were headed at us.

We have neurons that can be measured and we have brain activity that can be measured. Doctors can hook electrodes to your head, or put you in a CT tube, and measure your brain activity when you think about certain things. Just like we cant trap speed without a car, but we can use a speed gun to determine how fast the car is going.

This is the misconception even atheists can have about science is strictly about the material. No, science is about anything that can be observed. Just like we don't know what is in the center of a black whole, but we can see what it does to light when it gets to the event horizon.

To understand the mistake you are making. I would suggest reading both Victor Stenger's "God The Failed Hypothesis" and "The New Atheism".

Oh, before I forget:

First time I've ever awarded a flawless victory jpg.
Savor it Brian, savor it. -.-

[Neo-Scholastic]

I HATE THE WORD "MIND" it is a bullshit word. We are merely literally our brains. What you call "mind" is not what we are claiming.

Begging the question. You assert as fact the question at hand. Correlation is not causation.

[Welsh cake]

Most of the atheists on this forum make a habit of dodging their burden of proof

Oh do fuck off.

[Reforged]

I HATE THE WORD "MIND" it is a bullshit word. We are merely literally our brains. What you call "mind" is not what we are claiming.

Begging the question. You assert as fact the question at hand. Correlation is not causation.

Not only did that sentence make as much sense as an abstinent crackwhore regarding what it was in response to but he even made it rhyme at the end.

Everyone notice that stunned silence? The air of disbelief surrounding a single ridiculous act? Its a rare phenomenon when something is so nonsensical it makes people wonder if they're dreaming or not.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the "what the fuck" moment!
Feel honored to have lived long enough to have seen one.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Not only did that sentence make as much sense as a abstinent crackwhore regarding what it was in response to but he even made it rhyme at the end.

Very clever. But so far you have contributed nothing positive. You leached off the opinions of another poster and declare victory without advancing a single idea of your own.

[Reforged]

Not only did that sentence make as much sense as a abstinent crackwhore regarding what it was in response to but he even made it rhyme at the end.

Very clever. But so far you have contributed nothing positive. You leached off the opinions of another poster and declare victory without advancing a single idea of your own.

Dude, I didn't win shit. You got your ass kicked at the begining by someone whos new to the forum. I mean *wow*. I was stunned.
I'm not kidding, I felt for you.

[Anomalocaris]

To sprout this garbage wooters must think this is still the 18th century, where the big powdered wig in his avatar would overawe the hoi palloi, and confer upon him a certain respectability inspite of the utter nonsense he habitually confuse with evidence of thought.