God is real.

[Reforged]

Aw shit, I thought he was back. I baked a cake and everything.

[Brian37]

You need to show that said "cause" is a personal intelligent conscious being.

I explained how the cause has to be a God.

I know this person cannot respond but I do want to respond to this tripe.

Tons of links in the OP sound "sciencey" but are nothing but backpeddles because the cat is out of the bag. So all the believer can do is try to fit a square peg into a round hole by trying to make myth match science.

"a god" well then, if a god is required for everything then Neptune is the cause of hurricanes and Thor is the cause of lightening.

See how easy it is to cut through all the crap? Theist get so impressed with there mental elaborate garbage not understanding that they are merely the street side con artist trying to sell you the mental trap of the three card Monty on the Vegas Strip, and how convenient that the tripe they spew always leads to the god they desire to be real.

"a god" does not mean your god, so if you use those words, then any god could fill that gap.

And they are fools to think that their sect or their religion or their label is the only one that argues that science proves their pet god claim. I have seen Muslims and Jews and Mormons and Scientologists all argue that science favors their superstition.

Yet all these people cant take their claims to a patient office and none have won a Nobel Prize in science. There is no such thing as Allah based entropy. There is no such thing Christian gravity. There is no such thing as Hindu evolution.

There are merely humans who have invented these gods and myths and when called out cant do the mature thing and discard bad claims.

[Mister Agenda]

There is a God. How do I know? Well the answer is simple-Only a God could have created the universe. How do I know this? Well take a look at this argument:The universe. How did it get here? It couldn't have gotten here on its own.

That the universe couldn't have gotten here on its own is something you need to support.

That would be an example of spontaneous generation, a theory disproved a long, long, time ago.

The idea of spontaneous generation that was refuted was the notion that complex living organism could arise spontaneously, like maggots from garbage not being the product of flies laying eggs but a product of decomposition. It has nothing to do with your claim here.

It couldn't have always been here. That to, would be impossible according to science.

The only thing science has established regarding the universe having always been here is that it has not always been here in this form, prior to the current form it was in a hot dense state, and no one knows what really happened before that. The universe may have always existed in one form or another forever for all we know.

Therefore, the only possible answer would be that something else would have had to have created it. What's the only thing that could do that?

M-brane collision. Quantum fluctuation. Collapse of the previous universe. Spawned by a black hole in another universe. Something we haven't thought of yet. A conscious being, perhaps a physicist with an advanced laboratory, a gamer with a computer that can simulate universes, or a God is a conceivable possibility, but not being able to positively rule it out is a very weak argument for it.

Something with ultimate power.

It probably takes a lot of power to create a universe, but I don't see why you'd need ultimate power. We may be able to do it ourselves in a few decades.

What's the only conceivable thing with ultimate power?

Something imaginary.

God.(or many, but that's a discussion for another time.) Well you might be thinking, how did God get here, then? Well, what's the only thing with the ability to create itself?

Virtual particles. Probably universes.

Something with ultimate power. What's the only conceivable thing with ultimate power? God. Therefore, God is 100% real and He must have created the universe.

How can something have ultimate power before it exists?

That is a big claim I just made, and as such it requires scientific accreditadion.

Good on you for recognizing that.

So, here you go. William Lane Craig, a scientist uses basic logic to show how a God must have created the universe in his version of the Kalam cosmotologial arguement:
1.Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2.The universe began to exist.
3.Therefore, the universe has a cause.

But, but...WLC isn't qualified to give scientific accreditation! And the only things we've ever observed to begin to exist (virtual particles) DON'T have a cause! And we don't know that the universe began to exist! Are you TRYING to find the worst argument possible?

What is the only thing with the power necessary to create the universe, the ultimate power?

Quantum fluctuations, black holes, M-brane collisions, and fictional characters.

A God. So, undoubtabley there is a God and He created the universe.

If I wasn't already an atheist, your argument would have made me one.

Yes, I know he's a banned sockpuppet, but let me have my fun.

[toro]

The laughable part is that until a century ago, everyone thought the universe always existed as-is because God was eternal.

Then when we learn the universe had a beginning, we say that makes sense because God had to create it.

Universe has no beginning? God is eternal, this proves God has always existed.
Universe has a beginning? God is eternal, God is the only thing that could create the universe.

Next theory? The universe is a projection? Aha! This proves God exists because only an omnipotent being could create a projection like our universe!

For some reason all scientific theories which are contradictory imply the same thing to theists they were told by their stumped parents: God did it.

[Cato]

Fuck you bitch go to hell oh wait you already are going there.

Perhaps, but you'll be surprised when you get there and find that I'm in charge.

[WhatIfGodWasJustAMyth]

Mods are working fast now!
I applaud you

[Tempus]

Banned Dingaling for being a sock of TheBibleisTrue, a previously banned member. He was also banned for being a dingaling.

This made me laugh

All I could hear in my mind as I read this thread was this:

[Reforged]

OH, just to clear up the very delicate and carefully thought out issue this thread brings up:

No, no he isn't. :-)

[znk666]

I can't fucking believe this. Why the hell was my account dingaling banned

You were banned because many of your statements in the OP were preachy and, more importantly, you had another account which was banned as well (TheBibleisTrue).

You are banned once again. There is no use posting with new accounts because they will be banned as soon as we find out.