A list of all of God's crimes

[Brian37]

God hasn't committed any crimes any more than Lex Luthor could commit crimes. The REAL crime is the willful ignorance of humans who know better but don't care.

When someone tells you the earth rotates around the sun, and they have proven it, it is a crime to put them under house arrest.

But, as far as a character in a book, Hitchens rightfully described this God character as a dictator in a "celestial North Korea".

Now for the theists reading this, PLEASE DO NOT pathetically accuse me or anyone here of hate. There is a huge difference between hating a person, and hating a claim a person makes.

WHEN you look at the core attribute of the God character, one can only define it as a dictator. He is immovable, you cannot vote him out of office, you cannot impeach him, and no matter what you do, he has the final say.

In the western world we do not value such leaders. In life outside that book, when our leaders fuck up, we can hold them to account. When we want to replace them, we can. And they do not have absolute power or the absolute final say.

To ask me or suggest to me, to like or find credible such a claim, is absurd.

But to the title of the thread, the God character is a monster. He is fine with you as long as you tow the gang minion line. But even the mere infraction of not wanting to belong to his club will send you to eternal torture. How would that be any different if a North Korean spoke out against Kim Jung Ill?

From the start he sets up the rules for innocent people, sets a trap for them based on a bet, and then blames them for the rules he did not have to set up and blames people who had no way of knowing what the rules were.

Then when he cannot set up the army men this all powerful god created, he causes a flood, which is an act of mass genocide which would include the drowning of women and children.

Then you have the infanticide of the Egyptians and the attempt on Jesus when he was a baby which got babies who were not the target, murdered.

Then the final story at the end of that book would be like a parent with children, handing them knives and saying "you to stab the fuck out of each other and the last one standing gets to hang out with me".

The God character is much like a mugger "I'll give you two choices. 1. Give me your wallet and I let you live. 2. You can keep your wallet, and I'll blow your head off".

There is nothing moral about a motif that promotes the idea that you cannot be yourself and you cannot think for yourself and will be punished for even the mere infraction of not wanting to join a particular club.

The good news is that no such monster exists. The bad news is that people want a super hero to exist but refuse to see that that super hero motif sets up a dictatorship where being an outsider is wrong.

The bible is not a "good book" unless you are a mafia boss. God as a motif is the essence of a monopoly.

[kılıç_mehmet]

I was having a discussion online with someone who was talking about how even though it's okay for God to go around and do whatever the fuck he wants, we are responsible for our actions, but God can punish us for whatever reason he makes up. I said that most of all, God is guilty of depraved indifference, but then I started to wonder, if God was tried in a court of law, what are the charges he would face for everything he's done? I don't think I have ever came across a compiled list of every legal charge he would be guilty of, so that is something I would like to do.

Name every crime you can that you think God would be found guilty of (that is, if he existed! )

God is the court of law. Who are you complaining about "crimes"?

[Brian37]

I was having a discussion online with someone who was talking about how even though it's okay for God to go around and do whatever the fuck he wants, we are responsible for our actions, but God can punish us for whatever reason he makes up. I said that most of all, God is guilty of depraved indifference, but then I started to wonder, if God was tried in a court of law, what are the charges he would face for everything he's done? I don't think I have ever came across a compiled list of every legal charge he would be guilty of, so that is something I would like to do.

Name every crime you can that you think God would be found guilty of (that is, if he existed! )

God is the court of law. Who are you complaining about "crimes"?

No, God is not a court of law anymore than Superman is a court of law. It is a character reflecting the narcissism of humans in their desire to be in control, keep control and punish those who hurt them.

You cannot call any "court" fair, much less a court you'd want to be judged in, when the system is rigged and created by a dictator.

The courts in pluralistic society are subject to the rule of the consent of the governed. The motif of the bible is that of dictator who makes the laws and is the only judge, whom you cannot kick of the bench or have arrested if he commits a crime.

[kılıç_mehmet]

No, God is not a court of law anymore than Superman is a court of law.

Is Superman your God?
Than he is your supreme court, the court that matters in the afterlife.

It is a character reflecting the narcissism of humans in their desire to be in control, keep control and punish those who hurt them.

Well, I don't know what this has to do with humans, I thought that this was about God.

You cannot call any "court" fair, much less a court you'd want to be judged in, when the system is rigged and created by a dictator.

Well, who is that dictator? Certainly not God, for the punishment that you face has to be approved of the public, else no law enforcement would ever matter anyways.
But God is, by definition, you me or anyone else, for he is the creator, isn't he? So he has every right to decide for you me or anyone else.

The courts in pluralistic society are subject to the rule of the consent of the governed.

Well, given that God preceeds every society, what really matters here?

The motif of the bible is that of dictator who makes the laws and is the only judge

Well, if you do not accept his laws, why do you accept his flesh and the soul he has given you? And call him a dictator on the top of that?

whom you cannot kick of the bench or have arrested if he commits a crime.

Well, only God can put a stop to himself, as you know.

[Thor]

He won't be guilty by this argument unless it can be shown that a) he had a part in infliction of the cancer and b) he had a responsibility to respond and cure Billy. The most you can do with this witness is bring a civil suit, not a criminal one, in which case the Prosecutor would change to Plaintiff.

Good point..... However....

What would happen to a parent who refused to get medical treatment for their sick child and the child died? The parent would be criminally prosecuted. Now, according to the believers, we are all "God's children". In this context, doesn't "God" then have a responsibility to care for his children? By doing nothing and allowing a child to suffer a horrible death, is this deity not negligent in his duties? In fact, I would argue that he is responsible for every death due to starvation. A parent is most certainly required to provide food for their children (at least to the best of their ability). This deity could easily provide food to all the starving children in the world, but he chooses not to do so. This is criminal negligence.

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So can I sue a doctor or have him/her put into prison if they refuse to see me.

Of course not. There are other doctors you can go to. But if there is only one god, and he refuses to cure your terminally ill child, where else can you go? Also, unless you are his patient, a doctor is not responsible for you. He has no obligation to take care of you. But according to people like you, "God" created us. As our creator he is then responsible for our well being. Just as I would be responsible for the well being of a child I fathered. But your deity shirks this responsibility. This makes him either an incredibly callous prick or a figment of your imagination.

[The Grand Nudger]

Is Superman your God?
Than he is your supreme court, the court that matters in the afterlife.

Neither character has any existence outside of fiction, whether or not someone worships either as a god. So, no, "he" is, and no, it's not.

Well, I don't know what this has to do with humans, I thought that this was about God.

Find me anything that has to do with any god whatsoever that has anything to do with anything other than human beings and I'll eat crow.

Well, who is that dictator? Certainly not God, for the punishment that you face has to be approved of the public, else no law enforcement would ever matter anyways.
But God is, by definition, you me or anyone else, for he is the creator, isn't he? So he has every right to decide for you me or anyone else.

Were you betrothed? Did your parents choose your career? Do you ask them when you can go pee-pee?

The courts in pluralistic society are subject to the rule of the consent of the governed.

Tell the cops you don't consent to being arrested, see how far that gets you.

Well, given that God preceeds every society, what really matters here?

LOL, no.

Well, if you do not accept his laws, why do you accept his flesh and the soul he has given you? And call him a dictator on the top of that?

I don't recall accepting any gifts from any such character.

Well, only God can put a stop to himself, as you know.

Which is essentially synonymous with "only people can stop being douchebags to other people". Ergo anti-theism.

[Gooders1002]

No body is above the law, God as a being/individualise can be tried and convicted but as a position of power he can't, just like the Queen, as a human being she can be tried and convicted but as the enity of head of state, she can not, not at least by her own courts anyway (international courts can).

[AthiestAtheist]

How about willful negligence? He has the power to prevent or stop every horrible event that takes place, but he sits by and does nothing.

I think I covered that under "depraved indefference", though.

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God is the court of law. Who are you complaining about "crimes"?

No caption necessary.

[Welsh cake]

That's the situation the characters in the film God On Trial discuss at one point; that there can't possibly be a case for the defence.

But he had all those apologetics there in the camp to represent him and make excuses for his apparent atrocities and neglect didn't he?

On second thoughts, no defence is better than the crappy apologetic defence they provided. -.-

Well, if you do not accept his laws, why do you accept his flesh and the soul he has given you? And call him a dictator on the top of that?

How can one accept life? Existence? We had no say in the matter. You have to accept that, within your own belief system, your deity dragged us into existence and forced this crappy form, this shitty mortality onto us. We were once perfect, we were once the endless infinite void of nothingness, there was no "we", there was no time or space, the void had no beginning or end, that is, until this god guy came along and masturbated with oblivion, defacing it, perverting the glorious abyss to make reality and us.

And according to some theologies, did worse, gave us useless immortal souls that can't die. Preventing us from escaping his nightmare and returning back to our natural state. Cursing us never to embrace our true form, eternal oblivion, ever again, but instead be trapped here forever with him in his lies and delusions, wrath or no wrath. A pox on him! May the fatherless bastard choke on his own infinity, like a Ouroboros!



That's my take on the whole creation myth.

Well, only God can put a stop to himself, as you know.

That sounds rather amusing, would make for a good storyline if time travel were involved. ^^

[Angrboda]

God is the court? So he's judge, jury, defendant AND executioner? Damn. That's a slick trick. If I had those odds, I'd be on the biggest crime spree that mankind has ever seen!

Waitaminute. Now that you mention it, that does make sense of many of the things I read in the bible. Maybe it's like a male version of Thelma and Louise, and the garden and the fall are God metaphorically telling the story of how he got "kicked out" of the god club, and took out his anger and resentment by creating the universe, and being bad to it, just like he felt they were bad to him. They say that abusers often were abused as children themselves. So our shitty world is God's catharsis for his shitty life. Dance, funny man, dance!


(Btw, I believe the abuse leads to abusers motif is a psychotherapeutic myth, but I'd have to double check my sources.)