A list of all of God's crimes

[Thor]

You guys are missing the obivous theist way to avoid all of these problems, which is god's omnisicience. Therefore anything that seems to be detrimental to us, i.e. god's lack of parenting skills, can simply be explained away as god having a good reason for it, because god knows things that we don't know.

This is the fallback position for the godtards when they don't have an explanation for anything.

"Why does God sit by and do nothing while children die of cancer?"

"God knows things we don't and he has reasons that we can't comprehend."

Translation: I don't have any idea, but I have to reconcile reality with my belief in a loving god somehow.

[Bravo]

If I would treat my kids the way god treats its "children" I would probably be in jail for the rest of my life.

[genkaus]

Unless "God" were to leave his creation in the care of another being who is capable of taking on the responsibility, he is still responsible for the well being of his children. Your analogy is a poor one. This deity didn't leave his children at an orphanage, he abandoned them on a dangerous planet full of things that want to eat or kill them.

Also, unlike a child, we are not exactly helpless either. My argument is against assumption of responsibility on god's part.

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How is god abandoning humanity any different from a parent leaving a baby at an orphanage? I haven't heard of anyone being prosecuted for that.

Well under that analogy, God would have no legal rights to contact us, or see us, and most importantly any authority whatsoever. Most theists believe that God has some authority over us, and with authority comes responsibility. So hypothetically speaking, if God had any authority over us, he would also have responsibility as well, and therefore be responsible for everything that happened to us.

Now that is a good argument. So, a theistic god can be brought up on the criminal charges, but a deistic god cannot.

[Brian37]

If I would treat my kids the way god treats its "children" I would probably be in jail for the rest of my life.

I often use the following scenario.

If you needed a baby sitter and interviewed them and they said

"Yea, I have experience. I have sat 99 kids. 33 I let a child molester in and let them get raped, BUT shot them after. 33 I let get raped and let the guy go free. 33 I shot the molester before."

Would any sane person hire someone to sit their kid if they claimed such a spotty record?

[Thor]

Also, unlike a child, we are not exactly helpless either. My argument is against assumption of responsibility on god's part.

So "God" can create people and then wash his hands of it? He can sit back and watch everyone fight and kill each other without getting involved? Would any sane parent allow his children to do battle to the death if they could stop it?

[Jackalope]

If I would treat my kids the way god treats its "children" I would probably be in jail for the rest of my life.

I often use the following scenario.

If you needed a baby sitter and interviewed them and they said

"Yea, I have experience. I have sat 99 kids. 33 I let a child molester in and let them get raped, BUT shot them after. 33 I let get raped and let the guy go free. 33 I shot the molester before."

Would any sane person hire someone to sit their kid if they claimed such a spotty record?

Oh, I dunno. Two thirds of the time, the right guy got shot.

[AthiestAtheist]

Also, unlike a child, we are not exactly helpless either. My argument is against assumption of responsibility on god's part.

So what gives God the right assert authority over us? Notice that I said "right". Simply having the power to do something doesn't give one the right to. He can do anything, but that doesn't save him from being an evil SOB for doing certain things.

Also, under the law, in order for a person to be punished, they must be able to understand the crime they have committed, and the consequences (hence making mentally ill people unfit for trial). If God goes and makes a bunch of "plans" and then judges us based on our actions during circumstances we aren't capable of understanding (you know, that "God has a plan/has infinite wisdom/works in mysterious ways" crap), then it's unjust punishment.

What gives God the right to set up a universe he created down to the last detail, then punish us for actions based on the circumstances he created? I'd call that entrapment.

Every aspect of God's punishment is completely unfair/illegal from an ethics/legal point of view. What gives God the right to punish when he has no responsibility? The government punishes, but the government has responsibilities. It can't just let people die, for example, and it has to give people a fair trial, not just judgement based on opinion. I would rather be judged by 1,000 idiots, then 1 omnipresent self-righteous a-hole.

God said "Judge not, lest ye be judged" or something like that, so why does that not apply to him? If it's true, if it's right, then it applies to everybody. Once it does not, you don't have "benevolent", you have a tyrant. Why should God not be tried for his crimes? Even being the moral authority (which I completely disagree with, obviously) doesn't make him fundamentally incapable of committing crimes.

Now that is a good argument. So, a theistic god can be brought up on the criminal charges, but a deistic god cannot.

Sarcasm Detector: 50% I'm not sure what you mean by that. Please explain the difference.

[genkaus]

So "God" can create people and then wash his hands of it? He can sit back and watch everyone fight and kill each other without getting involved? Would any sane parent allow his children to do battle to the death if they could stop it?

So god is required to be sane now? Given the number of issues he has, I wouldn't say so.

The question before us is not the morality of god's actions - they are immoral. The question is criminality and not every immoral act is criminal.

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So what gives God the right assert authority over us? Notice that I said "right". Simply having the power to do something doesn't give one the right to. He can do anything, but that doesn't save him from being an evil SOB for doing certain things.

Also, under the law, in order for a person to be punished, they must be able to understand the crime they have committed, and the consequences (hence making mentally ill people unfit for trial). If God goes and makes a bunch of "plans" and then judges us based on our actions during circumstances we aren't capable of understanding (you know, that "God has a plan/has infinite wisdom/works in mysterious ways" crap), then it's unjust punishment.

What gives God the right to set up a universe he created down to the last detail, then punish us for actions based on the circumstances he created? I'd call that entrapment.

Every aspect of God's punishment is completely unfair/illegal from an ethics/legal point of view. What gives God the right to punish when he has no responsibility? The government punishes, but the government has responsibilities. It can't just let people die, for example, and it has to give people a fair trial, not just judgement based on opinion. I would rather be judged by 1,000 idiots, then 1 omnipresent self-righteous a-hole.

God said "Judge not, lest ye be judged" or something like that, so why does that not apply to him? If it's true, if it's right, then it applies to everybody. Once it does not, you don't have "benevolent", you have a tyrant. Why should God not be tried for his crimes? Even being the moral authority (which I completely disagree with, obviously) doesn't make him fundamentally incapable of committing crimes.

Sarcasm Detector: 50% I'm not sure what you mean by that. Please explain the difference.

Dude, chill. The answer to your last question is detailed in your little rant there. A deistic god does not assert any authority over us, he does not judge us and he does not interfere with our lives. Thus he cannot be brought up on criminal charges.

A theistic god does all of those things. And in acting in that manner, he is acting beyond what would be legally allowed and hence he is acting outside the scope of law.

Ofcourse, his defense counsel can make an argument that any exercise of authority is a result of an implicit consent to exercise authority given by theist, but that would mean that atheists and other non-believers would be outside the scope of that authority and there would be an additional burden to prove that god did exert his authority over them.

[Brian37]

I often use the following scenario.

If you needed a baby sitter and interviewed them and they said

"Yea, I have experience. I have sat 99 kids. 33 I let a child molester in and let them get raped, BUT shot them after. 33 I let get raped and let the guy go free. 33 I shot the molester before."

Would any sane person hire someone to sit their kid if they claimed such a spotty record?

Oh, I dunno. Two thirds of the time, the right guy got shot.

Glad I wasn't raised by you, that would be a gamble. LOL

[Thor]

The question before us is not the morality of god's actions - they are immoral. The question is criminality and not every immoral act is criminal.

Abandoning your children and allowing them to starve IS a criminal act.