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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 4, 2012 at 7:43 pm
(July 3, 2012 at 9:08 pm)Epimethean Wrote: (July 3, 2012 at 6:50 pm)LEDO Wrote:
To extrapolate that love into sex and murder is inane. Campbell creates lofty ideas and principals that in all seriousness no one today cares about anymore than they would have 4000 years ago. The man is blowing smoke. I showed where the Oedpus complex arose. Are you saying you want to kill your father and have sex with your mother?
You really don't understand the myth of replacement, nor its psychological underpinnings and sequence.
Nor do you do a good job explaining it. Feel free. This is a forum for discussion. I just don't see why various civilizations would be obcessed with such an obscure concept that really had no relationship to their lives.
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 4, 2012 at 8:20 pm
We may yet find a middle ground. Have you read this book? I studied with this professor and, despite him being a bit loony later in his career, he may be tying what both of us are debating here together. I must disagree with you about the oedipal concept and the overall myth of replacement being obscure. Far from it.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Myth-Replaceme...0816512000
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 7, 2012 at 12:10 pm
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(July 4, 2012 at 7:43 pm)LEDO Wrote: (July 3, 2012 at 9:08 pm)Epimethean Wrote: You really don't understand the myth of replacement, nor its psychological underpinnings and sequence.
Nor do you do a good job explaining it. Feel free. This is a forum for discussion. I just don't see why various civilizations would be obcessed with such an obscure concept that really had no relationship to their lives.
SO Jesus is just a combo of an astrological "god", and since astrology influenced many religions, the same characteristics appear in the Jesus myth.
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 9, 2012 at 2:34 pm
It happened so long ago that I don't think we can ever know.
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 9, 2012 at 3:07 pm
The Rosetta Stone happened a long time ago, too.
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 9, 2012 at 3:44 pm
An astute observation Epi which needs to be into context.
The Rosetta stone is a Ptolemaic-era artifact, in other words from sometime between 300 and 31 BC. It is being used as a basis for deciphering hieroglyphs from as far back as the pre-dynastic age ( c 3500 BC). For the sake of argument it is being used to read writings that are 3,000 year old.
If someone today were to use a transciption of a Hip-Hop album to translate the Venerable Bede they would be using modern English to translate the language as it existed 1,300 years ago. And this would still be less than half the length of time that the Rosetta Stone is being asked to cover.
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 11, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Somebody, somewhere has to be able to answer this question
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 12, 2012 at 10:55 am
(July 11, 2012 at 11:26 pm)cratehorus Wrote: Somebody, somewhere has to be able to answer this question
As it's been repeatedly explained to you, nobody "just made up Jesus one day." That's what you seem to be looking for and you won't find it.
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 12, 2012 at 10:57 am
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Or, in the unlikely event that someone did, their identity has been lost to antiquity. This would be the case, for example, if a central figure could be pinned down as "The Legendary Jesus".
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 14, 2012 at 3:12 am
The Greeks made Jesus up. They had a God and sons of God for everything else except the new invisible God that was introduced by King Akenarten of Egypt. He made his people stop worshipping the sun as it was doing nothing in response to prayers.
Zeus had a couple of sons with virgin earthlings and he had twelve guards [followers]
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