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RE: From Fiction to "True Story"
July 19, 2012 at 12:05 pm
(July 19, 2012 at 10:59 am)Chuck Wrote: The every day language in Judea was Aramaic, not Hebrew.
Aramaic or Hebrew; Greek it was not!
(July 19, 2012 at 10:59 am)Chuck Wrote: There is evidence the origin of portions of Greek chritian bible lies in Aramaic…
Would you mind name or describe that evidence?
(July 19, 2012 at 10:59 am)Chuck Wrote: So in fact, some of the sillier manifestations of later christainity in Greek and Latin are in themselves evidence Christian bible wasn't first passed down in Greek.
We are discussing the New Testament. Nothing was written in Hebrew or Aramaic! The originals were all in Greek!
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RE: From Fiction to "True Story"
July 20, 2012 at 5:27 am
The reason the Jews got the blame for Christ's death is because the Romans edited the bible before it was allowed to be published. If you think about that, there's nothing in the bible at all that is derogatory to the Romans, we are even lead to believe that there were only three people ever crucified...i.e... Jesus and the two robbers.
Jesus' brother James wrote an accurate account of those times but the Romans would not allow it to be published
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RE: From Fiction to "True Story"
July 20, 2012 at 6:12 pm
(July 20, 2012 at 5:27 am)average Wrote: The reason the Jews got the blame for Christ's death is because the Romans edited the bible before it was allowed to be published. If you think about that, there's nothing in the bible at all that is derogatory to the Romans, we are even lead to believe that there were only three people ever crucified...i.e... Jesus and the two robbers.
Jesus' brother James wrote an accurate account of those times but the Romans would not allow it to be published
It's like you were there 
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RE: From Fiction to "True Story"
July 20, 2012 at 6:59 pm
You need to brush up on how humanity invents its heroes, dtango. William Tell is one example. Robin Hood is another. Then there is King Arthur. The major difference between them and jesus is that you won't get burned at the stake for denying historical mythology.
As a matter of fact, within 20 years of his death horseshit stories were being spread about George Washington never telling a lie and throwing a silver dollar across the Potomac.
No, the short answer is that people make up stories and the stories get more refined with each re-telling.
Some are more dangerous than others, though.
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RE: From Fiction to "True Story"
July 20, 2012 at 7:28 pm
(July 20, 2012 at 6:12 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: (July 20, 2012 at 5:27 am)average Wrote: The reason the Jews got the blame for Christ's death is because the Romans edited the bible before it was allowed to be published. If you think about that, there's nothing in the bible at all that is derogatory to the Romans, we are even lead to believe that there were only three people ever crucified...i.e... Jesus and the two robbers.
Jesus' brother James wrote an accurate account of those times but the Romans would not allow it to be published
It's like you were there
haha no as you know I wasn't there, but the Romans crucified thousands of citizens, so much so that they were lined up on either side of the roads for miles, but, the bible just tells us about three, as I said. All my childhood, I believed that, it was only when I grew up and researched/studied that I knew what liars the Romans were.
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RE: From Fiction to "True Story"
July 20, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Quote:but the Romans crucified thousands of citizens
Crucifixion was reserved for non-Romans...slaves and rebels.
Which was jesus?
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RE: From Fiction to "True Story"
July 21, 2012 at 2:57 am
(July 20, 2012 at 6:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You need to brush up on how humanity invents its heroes, dtango. William Tell is one example. Robin Hood is another. Then there is King Arthur. The major difference between them and jesus is that you won't get burned at the stake for denying historical mythology.
I compared the legend of popular heroes to the hundreds of Flood Myths from all over the world.
Jesus’ story is not a popular legend. It did not evolve naturally. It is theological fiction.
(July 20, 2012 at 6:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote: As a matter of fact, within 20 years of his death horseshit stories were being spread about George Washington never telling a lie and throwing a silver dollar across the Potomac.
Why not?
30 years after his death was depicted as Zeus and another 30 years later he ascended to the heavens as Jesus did!! 
That is not legend! That is not the work of the legend-producing laymen.
(July 20, 2012 at 6:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote: No, the short answer is that people make up stories and the stories get more refined with each re-telling.
Some are more dangerous than others, though.
I quite agree.
There are stories, however, based on real life events. Various people with no contact between them when relate the same story, the story cannot be made up.
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RE: From Fiction to "True Story"
July 21, 2012 at 8:02 am
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(July 21, 2012 at 2:57 am)dtango Wrote: I quite agree.
There are stories, however, based on real life events. Various people with no contact between them when relate the same story, the story cannot be made up.
Your personal incredulity does not makes this so.
We're perfectly capable of telling remarkably similar stories without ever having interacted with each other. Authors have minor(and major) legal squabbles over this all the time. I'm left wondering why you seem to believe that something that does happen -cannot happen-. Why would we, as human beings btw, tell completely divergent stories about things like gods? Wouldn't you expect a measure of commonality? Maybe some other creature would tell wildly different stories -if cattle had gods, etc etc-.
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RE: From Fiction to "True Story"
July 21, 2012 at 11:02 am
(July 21, 2012 at 8:02 am)Rhythm Wrote: We're perfectly capable of telling remarkably similar stories without ever having interacted with each other.
Apart from stories about gods, what other similar story is there?
-The story about Giants, the progenitors of the gods!
Apart from this “2 in 1” story what other similar stories did humanity produce?
The story of the Flood. But that is a real story. No?
So, what are the other international made up stories that you know of?
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RE: From Fiction to "True Story"
July 21, 2012 at 1:42 pm
(July 21, 2012 at 11:02 am)dtango Wrote: (July 21, 2012 at 8:02 am)Rhythm Wrote: We're perfectly capable of telling remarkably similar stories without ever having interacted with each other.
Apart from stories about gods, what other similar story is there?
-The story about Giants, the progenitors of the gods!
Apart from this “2 in 1” story what other similar stories did humanity produce?
The story of the Flood. But that is a real story. No?
So, what are the other international made up stories that you know of?
The story of the exodus. Not made up by the people of the time but they believed everything that happened was God's work/fury. The ten plagues of Egypt for instance were caused by a massive volcanic eruption of the volcano on the island of Santorini, Greece. The ash blanked off the sun and showered the earth with the dust and then hail stones, rain. Frogs crawled everywhere because of the conditions. The people thought this was all due to God. Because of the curve of the earth, Santorini is not visible from Egypt, only the flames and clouds of ash would be seen.
The volcano caused a tsunami, thus it appeared God parted the sea for Moses when in fact the sea drew back as it does in a tsunami. It came back with a force and drowned the soldiers on their chariots. There's loads of stories in the bible that can now be explained by science
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