Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...

[genkaus]

Why?

Because I want to hear(see) you admit that you know what it is and that you're only relying on the "legal" definition so that you can justify murder, that's why.

I don't know how many more times I can say it - its a human fetus - not an individual human. It is genetically human, not anthropologically or socially human. Since rights are a social concept, they are not applicable to the fetus since it doesn't qualify as a human. If you're still too moronic to understand the logic, I don't know what else I could tell you.

[catfish]

I don't know how many more times I can say it - its a human fetus - not an individual human. It is genetically human, not anthropologically or socially human. Since rights are a social concept, they are not applicable to the fetus since it doesn't qualify as a human. If you're still too moronic to understand the logic, I don't know what else I could tell you.

LOL @ moronic...

The fetus isn't human according to you. So fuck you and your so-called rights and social concepts. Morality is a social concept so re-read what you wrote above and then come back and entertain me some more.

[Esquilax]

LOL @ moronic...

The fetus isn't human according to you. So fuck you and your so-called rights and social concepts. Morality is a social concept so re-read what you wrote above and then come back and entertain me some more.

You realize that mocking contempt isn't actually an argument, right?

And yeah, morality is a social concept, which, happily, means that you don't get to dictate it for everyone else. Because, once again, you are not king of reality.

[genkaus]

I don't know how many more times I can say it - its a human fetus - not an individual human. It is genetically human, not anthropologically or socially human. Since rights are a social concept, they are not applicable to the fetus since it doesn't qualify as a human. If you're still too moronic to understand the logic, I don't know what else I could tell you.

LOL @ moronic...

The fetus isn't human according to you. So fuck you and your so-called rights and social concepts. Morality is a social concept so re-read what you wrote above and then come back and entertain me some more.

LOL @ idiotic....

... And I got nothing. There is no argument here to respond to.

[catfish]

Do you need me to fucking break down every word of your responses for you to understand???

You said: "Since rights are a social concept, they are not applicable to the fetus since it doesn't qualify as a human."
Well, morality is also a social concept so your own logic and words defeat you. You have zero logical reason to make a moral judgement on the termination of a fetus for any reason.

BTW, I'm starting to like the True Human™ Game® (trademark pending).

[genkaus]

Do you need me to fucking break down every word of your responses for you to understand???

You said: "Since rights are a social concept, they are not applicable to the fetus since it doesn't qualify as a human."
Well, morality is also a social concept so your own logic and words defeat you. You have zero logical reason to make a moral judgement on the termination of a fetus for any reason.

BTW, I'm starting to like the True Human™ Game® (trademark pending).

How can you fail so epically at understanding simple arguments?

First of all, I never agreed that morality is a social concept - especially since I've always argued that it is applicable at individual level.

Secondly, even if they both were social concepts they are still different concepts. Rights are given to individual humans to determine certain - not all, but certain - aspects of their lives in society. The fetus is not an individual human and is not a part of the society and therefore is not afforded any rights. It is completely removed from the the contexts where the concept of rights is applicable.

Morality is practiced by individual humans and is applicable to all their actions - even if the object of their actions is not a moral agent itself. So, even if the fetus is not an individual human or a moral agent, the very action of abortion is undertaken by an individual human and a moral agent and therefore it has a moral dimension to it. Therefore, the action itself, its reasons and its motivations are subject to moral judgment.

Do you understand this extremely simple logic?

[catfish]

So, can you describe the life-cycle of a human or not?

[Shell B]

I'm surprised you are having difficulty with this. The Sphinx could really have nailed you with that riddle, eh?

[genkaus]

So, can you describe the life-cycle of a human or not?

Sure, but how is that relevant?

[catfish]