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How did you work it out?
#41
RE: How did you work it out?
(March 17, 2013 at 8:57 am)smax Wrote:
(March 17, 2013 at 8:33 am)enrico Wrote: According to yoga philosophy this universe is the imagination of God but at the same time is all real for those who play the role in his imagination.
Very hard to believe but you never know what is real and what is not.
What a surprise would be if one day you will have to face this God?
He may say to you ............. you cheeky boy.....you thought you could live outside my imagination eh!ROFLOL

Why is that you (and others) assume that a reckoning with god is imminent? No, let me be more to the point:
Why is it that you assume that other people are heading for a inevitable reckoning with god?
Could it be the very god-complex condition I mentioned in my previous post?
By that I simple mean that (a) we are so important that our conduct and beliefs must be evaluated post mortality and (b) that you (and others like you) are somehow privileged to god's particular criteria on this matter.
Do you understand the point I'm making?
Everthing you think you know about god is actually a mere projection of what you know of yourself and what YOU value.
If there is a higher power, doesn't it stand to reason that we would have no idea how that power operates or works?
Don't you think it's ridiculous and small minded to minimize such a power or force by lowering it to human pettiness and terms?
I'll answer for you. The answer is yes it is ridiculous. But it's consistent with the method that is almost always used while inventing god.

I do believe in justice first of all.
Take people who commit horrible crimes.
One lifetime in jail would not be enough to pay for what he-she did so i see the law of karma as the only way to pay back the debt and if there is this law there also must be someone who administer this law.
The evidence is there for all to see.
Someone born poor, someone born without financial problem, someone born blind or sick, somebody else born healthy, someone born in an human body somebody else born in an animal body and so on.
Nothing happen by chances. good luck or bed luck do not rerally apply within this universe otherwise this universe would have ceased to exist long time ago.
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#42
RE: How did you work it out?
Your desire for justice has no bearing on the existence of any sort of force that carries it out.

What's your evidence that nothing happens by chance?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#43
RE: How did you work it out?
(March 17, 2013 at 9:27 am)Faith No More Wrote: Your desire for justice has no bearing on the existence of any sort of force that carries it out.

What's your evidence that nothing happens by chance?


If you want to become a doctor you got to study for so many years and even after that you got to keep on studying and practicing.
You do not get there by chances.
This is how the whole system works.
In the good or in the bed we shape our own life.
Don't tell me that you behave differently eh!Undecided
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#44
RE: How did you work it out?
Just because you have one example of how we can influence our lives through our actions does not mean that nothing happens by chance. Try again.

And yes, good or bad, we shape our own lives. How is that proof of karma?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#45
RE: How did you work it out?
"Justice" in death helps no one.
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#46
RE: How did you work it out?
(March 17, 2013 at 10:04 am)Psykhronic Wrote: "Justice" in death helps no one.


If you believe that there is only one life sure, but how do you know that there is no physical reincarnation?
I am still waiting that someone come up with a valid demostration that is possible to know if God exist or not by relying on physical science.
To know this sort of things about after life and different dimensions as i said in previous post one has got to use the right tool and physical science is definitively not the right tool.Thinking
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#47
RE: How did you work it out?
(March 15, 2013 at 9:01 am)enrico Wrote: how did you work it out that God does not exist?

Can I say for sure that gods do not exist? No. But for me, all gods of literature are fictional characters. Nobody contradicts me when I say that Sauron, Voldemort and king Jeoffry are fictional. Nobody contradicts me when I say that Jupiter, Loki, Ilmatar and Aphrodite are fictional. Why are these 'modern' gods suddenly better than all the ones that came before them? Why is it that religious people can laugh and shake their heads when new cults pop up, but don't have the sense to scrutinize their own? And why is your particular god better than all the other ones, who do you prefer, Yahweh or Allah? Both sides are pretty damn convinced that their one is real..
One more thing that seems out of place for me is that a supreme being would take such an interest in what its creations eat, wear, do on Saturdays etc. No, if a god or gods exist, I say that the deists have it right.
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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#48
RE: How did you work it out?
(March 18, 2013 at 4:16 am)enrico Wrote: I am still waiting that someone come up with a valid demostration that is possible to know if God exist or not by relying on physical science.

That's the point, isn't it? There is no way to demonstrate that god exists through the use of 'physical science,' as you refer to it. In any other facet of your life, not being able to prove the existence of something would convince you that it doesn't exist. But on this one subject, you add an unreasonable demand-- science must prove the NON-existence of something.

That is the sort of thing we do when we're trying to cling to something that we desperately wish were true. When we must abandon reason in order to make something true, it doesn't make it true. It just makes us unreasonable.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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#49
RE: How did you work it out?
We can prove that you have a mental illness if you believe in deity.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...=110997741

Quote:Brain Interactive
More than half of adult Americans report they have had a spiritual experience that changed their lives. Now, scientists from universities like Harvard, Pennsylvania and Johns Hopkins are using new technologies to analyse the brains of people who claim they have touched the spiritual — from Christians who speak in tongues to Buddhist monks to people who claim to have had near-death experiences. Hear what they have discovered in this controversial field, as the science of spirituality continues to evolve.
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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#50
RE: How did you work it out?
(March 18, 2013 at 4:16 am)enrico Wrote: I am still waiting that someone come up with a valid demostration that is possible to know if God exist or not by relying on physical science.
To know this sort of things about after life and different dimensions as i said in previous post one has got to use the right tool and physical science is definitively not the right tool.Thinking
This seems to me to be an argument from ignorance and here's why: a valid tool in the scientific method is to detect an object/force by its interactions with other objects/forces (e.g. planets cause 'wobble' in each others' orbits and the position of their star therefore we can use this to detect them). This seems to be the most suitable approach for detecting any theistic gods. Many claims have been made by believers of many faiths regarding the way that their god(s) has(have) intervened in their lives. These are all testable claims. Where there's been enough data to test them, they have all failed to support their claims. Further, where the claims are not testable, there are often known naturalistic mechanisms which could be used to explain what happened. Supernatural suppositions are therefore almost always dismissable as they have no explanatory power.

If we're talking about deist gods, then the attributes are exactly the same as 'something which doesn't exist' therefore science can make no comment regarding its existence. Likewise, believers are also unjustified in holding any such position because to remain 'deist', there can be no interaction with believers; the god claim is useless and has no explanatory power.
Sum ergo sum
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