How did you work it out?

[Little Rik]

I believe that there is an invisible ceature that is part monkey, part cat and part platypus that controlls the sun. Now you must all believe it too, because SCIENCE CAN'T DISPROVE IT!!!!!111

If that creature is physical it can easy be discover by physical science, why not.
If it is invisible then you will have to find out the right method to deal with that issue.
The problem lies with people that pretend to find out everything using physical science even with what may well belong to different dimensions that are outside physical science limitation.
I do not believe in something because physical science can not disprove.
I do believe in something because by practicing yoga meditation i feel that essence inside myself.

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Persuade Me'............You can't have evidence for non-existence.
As usual, the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim... The initial claim.
For someone to say that they don't believe there is a God, there first has to be a claim of a God's existence. It is that person, the claimant, that has to prove this: not the person that says "PAHAH, no there isn't!" or the person that says "I don't believe you; can you persuade me?"

Spirituality is the right tool to discover whether God exist or not.
Unlike religions that approach the issue externally, spirituality does it internally.
Externally is almost impossible because the essence is internal, that is why religions create dogmas after dogmas to justify their failure.
The potential to reach the goal of life is within each of us.
In yoga you are God but in order to realize that truth you must dig out the potential within.
If you want to bring to the surface the gold you must dig and struggle very hard.
Being an internal truth one has got to find out for himself-herself.
There is no other way.
I am not going to convince you that God exist. Is up to you to find out this.

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The science to which you refer (PHYSICAL SCIENCE) is not able to make any judgement regarding something that is outside her limitation so let us not rely on physical science to understand what is outside her limitation.

Is there anything outside of physics?
How would you determine that?

The mind does not come out of matter.
In the past people thought that the maggots were produced by rotting flesh only to find out later on that without the flies to deposit the eggs there would be any maggots so now we know that mind can not come from matter but has got to come from an other mind.
This created universe is composed by matter, water, light, air and space so there is no way to get get mind from these factors.
There has got to be something outside this created universe to give mind.
But this theory will become reality only when your desire to know will come as a need within your mind.

[pocaracas]

Is there anything outside of physics?
How would you determine that?

The mind does not come out of matter.

Oh really?!

How did you come about this knowledge?
Do keep in mind that neurologists would disagree with you.
Appeal to authority FTW!

In the past people thought that the maggots were produced by rotting flesh only to find out later on that without the flies to deposit the eggs there would be any maggots so now we know that mind can not come from matter but has got to come from an other mind.

We know that?
And what does the mind have to do with maggots?

This created universe is composed by matter, water, light, air and space so there is no way to get get mind from these factors.
There has got to be something outside this created universe to give mind.
But this theory will become reality only when your desire to know will come as a need within your mind.

What we know is that, without a brain, your mind has no discernible representation.
Without parts of the brain, your mind is different.
To me, this puts the mind in the very physical brain and not outside of the universe.

[Joel]

Spirituality is the right tool to discover whether God exist or not.
Unlike religions that approach the issue externally, spirituality does it internally.
Externally is almost impossible because the essence is internal, that is why religions create dogmas after dogmas to justify their failure.
The potential to reach the goal of life is within each of us.
In yoga you are God but in order to realize that truth you must dig out the potential within.
If you want to bring to the surface the gold you must dig and struggle very hard.
Being an internal truth one has got to find out for himself-herself.
There is no other way.
I am not going to convince you that God exist. Is up to you to find out this.

How do you define spirituality? People say they get spiritual feelings/experiences from simply admiring the universe... Or a particularly delicious cheesecake. Neither of these are God (in case you were wondering)
How can you tell people that they have a goal of life in them if it's entirely subjective? I don't believe there is any inherent 'goal' to life, but ones you set yourself.
You can't dig up gold if there isn't any there.
I'm not asking you to convince me that a God exists, I'm asking you to provide me with a reasonable explanation as to why your beliefs are justified.
To find out what? That a God exists? How do you know a God exists? If you know then, surely, you can provide some actual evidence for this. Personal experience doesn't count, and if that's all you have then it's not proof... At least not outside of your own personal delus- definition (sorry) of proof.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Welcome

[Little Rik]

Joel...............................How do you define spirituality? People say they get spiritual feelings/experiences from simply admiring the universe... Or a particularly delicious cheesecake. Neither of these are God (in case you were wondering)

How do you know that a cheesecake is not God?
According to yoga philosophy everything is in the cosmic mind imagination.
When you think about something that thing is part of you.
But to realize this sort of things it takes quite sometime of inner introspection so i can understand your point.

How can you tell people that they have a goal of life in them if it's entirely subjective? I don't believe there is any inherent 'goal' to life, but ones you set yourself.

When you are not happy with what you got you tend to keep on looking until you find what will satisfy you.
This is inborn in each and everyone of us.
Within this material dimension nothing will satisfy and give total peace of mind to any creature whether they are humans, animals, or plants.
A creeper will keep on moving looking for the best spot.
An animal will keep on moving looking for the best opportunity.
A human being keep on thinking and doing things in the vain and futile effort to get peace of mind.
Have you notice that after you make so many sacrifices to buy a car you realize that you could have bought the same car elsewhere for less money or that a new model just came out and that make think that was much better to wait a bit longer so you could have bought that one which look much better.
This clearly show that material things can not bring any peace of mind.
Even physical-mental love can not bring peace of mind because after short time everything change and satisfaction last only a short time.
Only permanent peace of mind will bring total satisfaction and that sort of thing can not be found inside this physical arena that is why soon or later people will start looking in the right place and that place is not very far from us.
It is inside us and it is the goal of life because is by reaching the goal of life that one find total peace of mind.

You can't dig up gold if there isn't any there.

We certainly proceed along the same road but at different distances.
You still think that you can find happiness within this material word so you are not interested in finding anything else and in your mind you build up the idea that there is nothing elsewhere, on the contrary i realize that trying to find peace of mind and happiness within this material world is a waste of time so i started looking within where the real gold is to be found.

I'm not asking you to convince me that a God exists, I'm asking you to provide me with a reasonable explanation as to why your beliefs are justified.
To find out what? That a God exists? How do you know a God exists? If you know then, surely, you can provide some actual evidence for this. Personal experience doesn't count, and if that's all you have then it's not proof... At least not outside of your own personal delus- definition (sorry) of proof.

In the material world is very easy to give the evidence that gold exist.
You just show a piece of gold.
In the mental arena or world is a little bit more difficult.
If someone ask you to show how happy you are after making love you eventually can take a scientific instrument that may measure the brain waves or else, but to prove that spirituality works it become even harder but i guess that even using some scientific instrument is possible to measure the main glands like the pituary and pineal waves and compare the results with someone who is not engaged in intuitional practices or spirituality.
Apart from that there is a enough evidence that God exist by analyze the nde experiences.
People who die and then come back to life.
I am not saying that some of them experience the presence of God.
I say that 100% of them experience the presence of God.

[Little Rik]

pocaracas.............Do keep in mind that neurologists would disagree with you.

The day that neurologists will demonstrate that thing i will prostrate down and kiss their feet.

And what does the mind have to do with maggots?

As the maggots do not come from matter also mind does not come from matter.
Maggots have mind. Every creature with mind never come out of matter and never will.
Materialism is still stuck in the stone age as far as to where mind come from.

What we know is that, without a brain, your mind has no discernible representation.
Without parts of the brain, your mind is different.
To me, this puts the mind in the very physical brain and not outside of the universe.

The brain is housing the mind as a car is housing a driver.
You are the driver.
Unfortunately materialism think that there is no distinction between the two. Again materialism is still floating in the stone age.
Yoga is 7000 years old but is more modern then today materialism.

[paulpablo]

Basically to cut this thread short, you believe there's a god because you do yoga, you can't prove it. I don't do yoga and I don't believe there's a god but I don't know for sure and I can't prove it either way.

[pocaracas]

And what does the mind have to do with maggots?

As the maggots do not come from matter also mind does not come from matter.
Maggots have mind. Every creature with mind never come out of matter and never will.

And how do you KNOW this?

What we know is that, without a brain, your mind has no discernible representation.
Without parts of the brain, your mind is different.
To me, this puts the mind in the very physical brain and not outside of the universe.

The brain is housing the mind as a car is housing a driver.
You are the driver.
Unfortunately materialism think that there is no distinction between the two.

And how do you KNOW this?

[Little Rik]

Basically to cut this thread short, you believe there's a god because you do yoga, you can't prove it. I don't do yoga and I don't believe there's a god but I don't know for sure and I can't prove it either way.

25 years ago i was looking to buy a house so i started looking around and around and then i decided to wait a bit longer hoping that the prices would come down.
Unfortunately the prices went up so i missed out very badly and later on i had to pay a higher price.
What happen with waiting to find out the truth about anything is a tricky affair.
Sometime it may work for you sometime against you.
But as the old saying...........is never too late.

[paulpablo]

Basically to cut this thread short, you believe there's a god because you do yoga, you can't prove it. I don't do yoga and I don't believe there's a god but I don't know for sure and I can't prove it either way.

25 years ago i was looking to buy a house so i started looking around and around and then i decided to wait a bit longer hoping that the prices would come down.
Unfortunately the prices went up so i missed out very badly and later on i had to pay a higher price.
What happen with waiting to find out the truth about anything is a tricky affair.
Sometime it may work for you sometime against you.
But as the old saying...........is never too late.

I'll take that as a yes.