If God is all mighty,why doesn't he change bad people/seiners into good ones?

[iameatingjam]

Because god doesn't work in simple, logical and beneficial ways. He works in complex, confusing ways where it just happens to seem like he's doing nothing at all and we're actually on our own. Funny, isn't it?

[Baalzebutt]

2. Red herring. If people followed the church's rules, AIDS would not be a problem. The argument that the Catholic opposition to birth control fuels the spread of AIDS is possibly the stupidest atheist argument going.

What are you talking about? The church can't even follow the churches rules! You honestly expect tribal Africa to bow down to your very western and narrow minded ideas regarding the most fundamental drive of human kind?

Dude, you need to get some serious perspective on the real world.

[Minimalist]

Well, if they didn't take the women during a time of war as their wives, they would have had to kill them. Then you would be complaining about that.

And I guess you are okay with it either way, huh?

Fuck off.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, if they didn't take the women during a time of war as their wives, they would have had to kill them.

Why?

[John V]

What are you talking about?

I'm talking about the incredibly stupid position that people have no problem violating the church's rules regarding sex partners, but don't use condoms because the church says not to.

The church can't even follow the churches rules! You honestly expect tribal Africa to bow down to your very western and narrow minded ideas regarding the most fundamental drive of human kind?

No, I don't expect them to. Neither do I expect them to bow down and follow the church's rules about condoms. Therefore, I don't blame the church when they sleep around but don't use condoms.

Dude, you need to get some serious perspective on the real world.

You are a moron.

[Ryantology]

What do you suggest that they do?

Not invade in the first place.

Also, you skirt your own point. Killing enemy combatants may have been necessary under the eminently avoidable circumstances, but God's marauding murderers didn't stop there. They slaughtered women and children and infants. They went through cities and intentionally hunted down the defenseless. What threat did women and children pose to these trained killers? Not much, if they chose to keep a few of the former as rape slaves.

It had nothing to do with necessity. They went total war on their neighbors because your bloodthirsty God wanted to enjoy the carnage.

Er, yes, two people who wait for marriage to have sex and then are faithful to each other aren't going to get AIDS from sex, condom or no.

That works beautifully in theory. Except, you can only be sure of yourself. You can never be sure that your partner has been celibate, or hasn't contracted the disease in a non-sexual manner, and the Church tells these people that God demands they take that possibly fatal risk because protecting yourself is a sin.

You can say that Church teachings would, if adhered to strictly, reduce AIDS and that would be correct, but in their never-ending quest to thwart human sexuality, they actively seek to restrict access to an equally-effective and much easier source of protection, because to the Church, Catholic dogma is more important than human life, and it is entirely correct to place a large portion of the blame at the ruby-slippered feet of the Pope.

[John V]

That works beautifully in theory. Except, you can only be sure of yourself. You can never be sure that your partner has been celibate, or hasn't contracted the disease in a non-sexual manner, and the Church tells these people that God demands they take that possibly fatal risk because protecting yourself is a sin.

It works pretty well in practice, too. If you don't trust the person not to cheat or become a junkie, you probably shouldn't merry them in the first place.

You can say that Church teachings would, if adhered to strictly, reduce AIDS and that would be correct,

Bingo.

but in their never-ending quest to thwart human sexuality, they actively seek to restrict access to an equally-effective and much easier source of protection, because to the Church, Catholic dogma is more important than human life, and it is entirely correct to place a large portion of the blame at the ruby-slippered feet of the Pope.

Have they prevented the sale of condoms in any nations?

[Ryantology]

It works pretty well in practice, too. If you don't trust the person not to cheat or become a junkie, you probably shouldn't merry them in the first place.

They could be a saint, now, but that doesn't mean their past activities don't carry possible present consequences.

Catholic doctrine would work perfectly in a world where sexual drives didn't exist and marriages were entirely open affairs between two equal, rational and careful people done only out of mutual desire and love. In the real world, Catholic doctrine kills thousands by making a bad problem unnecessarily worse.

Have they prevented the sale of condoms in any nations?

If they had the ability to do that, do you doubt they would?

Instead, they simply scare poor, hungry and uneducated people with superstitious babble into effectively achieving the next best result. And, thousands and thousands die because of it. To the Church, it is better that they die in protracted agony than that they protect themselves in 'sin'.

[John V]

They could be a saint, now, but that doesn't mean their past activities don't carry possible present consequences.

A saint with a past would get tested before putting others at risk.

Catholic doctrine would work perfectly in a world where sexual drives didn't exist and marriages were entirely open affairs between two equal, rational and careful people done only out of mutual desire and love. In the real world, Catholic doctrine kills thousands by making a bad problem unnecessarily worse.

The problem wouldn't exist if people followed catholic doctrine.

If they had the ability to do that, do you doubt they would?

So, no, they haven't blocked the sale of condoms.

Instead, they simply scare poor, hungry and uneducated people with superstitious babble into effectively achieving the next best result.

And we're back to the beginning. Catholic doctrine isn't scary enough to stop people from extramarital sex, but it is strong enough to stop condom use? Completely idiotic position.

And, thousands and thousands die because of it.

Thousands and thousands die because they can't keep their pants on. If the church drops the ban tomorrow, thousands and thousands will still die, because they still won't keep their pants on.

[Baalzebutt]

Dude, you need to get some serious perspective on the real world.

You are a moron.

oh, burn.....

You have got to be the single most arrogant prick I have ever encountered. Your arguments on this board consist of "I was a druggie but then I found Jesus and now I am better than you because I know the TRUTH!"

You are an obviously addictive personailty who goes to excess in everything you do be it drugs, sex or religion and then blame tyour excesses on someone or something else. You have no concept of moderation. You are of the opinion that everyone who does not believe as you do RIGHT AT THIS TIME is somehow less human than you. As your belief changes, your goalposts change. At some point, you will become an atheist because you will figure out that there is no god and then you will turn around and treat the theists just as you treat the atheist now.

Do me a favor and take your junkie ass to some other forum. Your addiction-of-the-moment is not welcome here.