Non-religious evidence for existence of God

[ciko83]

That's the problem with your 'prophecies'
They are no specific enough, and they are so vague that that can be attributed to too much.

Also, the shoe is not speaking. It's using a recording of someone's voice on an electronic device.
If you take out the device, the shoe would no longer be speaking but the device would continue to function.

It is not a talking shoe.

That's the problem with your 'prophecies'
They are no specific enough, and they are so vague that that can be attributed to too much.

let see


It is narrated by Sayyiduna Abdullah bin Umar that the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) said:

“When the belly of Makkah will be cleft open and through it will be dug out river-like passages (i.e. tunnels) and the buildings of the Holy City of Makkah will rise higher than its mountains, when you observe these signs, then understand that the time of trial(Judgment day) is near at hand.”

in 19th century no tall building in Mekka


how does it look now




what is this then is this vague also

If you take out the device, the shoe would no longer be speaking but the device would continue to function.

man, dont you understand??

Muhammed lived in 6th century, when there was no electricity and to say shoes will talk in future and we see it with our own eyes.

if you think that he meant shoes will become alive and speak then what can i say.

[paulpablo]

The quran is basically a vague version of the other flood myths, it says


[So it was], until when Our command came and the oven overflowed, We said, "Load upon the ship of each [creature] two mates and your family, except those about whom the word has preceded, and [include] whoever has believed." But none had believed with him, except a few.

So load upon the ship two of each creature, not domesticated creatures or your creatures or just the camels and sheep, it just says of each creature.

But well done on figuring out all that biology related stuff and debunking evolution, I'm surprised that David Attenbourough hasn't seen your work.
Or any of the other biologists, zoologists, biochemists, microbiologists and botanists. You should give them a call instead of wasting your time on here.

[Joel]

Muhammed lived in 6th century, when there was no electricity and to say shoes will talk in future and we see it with our own eyes.

if you think that he meant shoes will become alive and speak

You're just providing more fuel to the points I'm making. If there was none of the technology we have today - and he did not know of it - then what else did he mean, apart from they will literally speak? He wasn't specific in the verse, as I pointed out already.

[ciko83]

but do we have evidence for this ark of Noah?

then look this

No, we don't have a scrap of evidence for Noah's ark. This is what "The Sun" is (from wiki):

"Sun was a supermarket tabloid owned by American Media, Inc. It ceased publication in the summer of 2012 with the issue bearing a July 2, 2012 cover date.
Its contents often came under question and widely regarded as "sensationalistic writing." Since a 1992 invasion of privacy case,[1] a small-print disclaimer printed beneath the masthead warned readers to "suspend belief for the sake of enjoyment." "

Do you notice, after this amazing discovery two years ago(!), there hasn't been a peep since? Why not? Where are scientific studies of the timbers? Where ARE the timbers in the photos?

And then you post a link from a newspaper that even warns the reader that the content is essentially bullshit.

Your credulity is why you believe mystical nonsense.

Do you notice, after this amazing discovery two years ago(!), there hasn't been a peep since? Why not? Where are scientific studies of the timbers? Where ARE the timbers in the photos?

watch this, they actually go inside of the ark

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The quran is basically a vague version of the other flood myths, it says


[So it was], until when Our command came and the oven overflowed, We said, "Load upon the ship of each [creature] two mates and your family, except those about whom the word has preceded, and [include] whoever has believed." But none had believed with him, except a few.

So load upon the ship two of each creature, not domesticated creatures or your creatures or just the camels and sheep, it just says of each creature.

But well done on figuring out all that biology related stuff and debunking evolution, I'm surprised that David Attenbourough hasn't seen your work.
Or any of the other biologists, zoologists, biochemists, microbiologists and botanists. You should give them a call instead of wasting your time on here.

So load upon the ship two of each creature, not domesticated creatures or your creatures or just the camels and sheep, it just says of each creature.

in islamic books i read tha there were domestic animals, not like christians portrays, with elephants and so on.

[paulpablo]

What were the islamic books based on?

[Whateverist]

Proof that every god that ever created anything was created by a prior god.

1. Tupperware exists.

2. Tupperware could not have made itself.

3. Tupperware was created .. by men.

4. Men could not have made themselves.

5. Men were created.

6. That which created men we call God.

7. God could not have created Himself.

8. That which created God would be called a prior god.

9. In this manner everything that is and could not create itself was created by something that came before it.

10. We have two choices: A) accept an endless string of prior creators, or B) re-examine our assumption that everything that exists was created by something that came before.


If you choose B then we tell the story of the beginning something like this: As far back as anyone can see or imagine there has been stuff. The stuff has taken the form of plasma, energy, matter and god only knows what else. Whatever else may have happened that stuff did not remain homogenous. Long story short, different sorts of stuff interacted with other sorts of stuff in a variety of ways leading to what we find today. The end.

[paulpablo]

Give me an ipod and a shovel and with a lot of hard work and some illegal digging and violent shoving of ipods into orifices I'll be able to prove to you that corpses can talk.

[JesusHChrist]

watch this, they actually go inside of the ark

Yes, and in "Star Wars", the Death Star actually destroys a planet.

[FallentoReason]

Give me an ipod and a shovel and with a lot of hard work and some illegal digging and violent shoving of ipods into orifices I'll be able to prove to you that corpses can talk.

Brutal.

[Baalzebutt]

Give me an ipod and a shovel and with a lot of hard work and some illegal digging and violent shoving of ipods into orifices I'll be able to prove to you that corpses can talk.

Brutal.

He is absolutely right though.