Golden Ratio In Nature, Quran And Position Of The Kaba

[Joel]

I don't see how words appearing in a book a certain number of times is divine?

It's not. He's just brainwashed to believe it is.

[ciko83]

I don't see how words appearing in a book a certain number of times is divine?

beacuse there are thousands of nummerical miracles in quran wich are even connected with nature.

lets take this for example, Word neutron (NTRN) is mentioned in verse 18:39 in arabic text, what is special with that? neutron is 1,839 times heavier than electron

Word proton is mentioned in verse 18:37, what is special with that, proton is 1,837 times heavier than electron.

and when was neutron discovered 1932, when did quran came, in 6th Century.

or if you Place Word mekka in the verse just like it is places between South pole and North pole, at 1,618 ratio.

or that we find Word day 365 times mentioned in the whole quran, and that is so many Days in a year.

or Words Night/Nights are mentioned totally 92 times in the whole quran, what is special with 92, chapter Night is 92 chapter of the quran.

Chapter Bee is 16 chapter of the quran, bee has 16 chromosomes.
verse when bee is metnioned has 16 different letters, from the begining of the verse to the end of Word bee there is 16 letters.

or if we take this for example


as you can see, Word thunder is mentioned in two places in two different verses in quran, what is so special with that, both verses have same naumber of letters and same number of Words.

is this not Amazing?

[Joel]

is this not Amazing?

It is not.

[pocaracas]

WOW! Can you do that with any other word?
I choose "cloud", just for starters... (FFVII reference)

[Mystic]

like what?

Well one problem was the issue of miracles: http://atheistforums.org/thread-17560.html

A contradiction, will be asked on the day of judgement, and will not be asked: http://atheistforums.org/thread-15283.html

Another about whether Muslims can befriend disbelievers or not: http://atheistforums.org/thread-15055.html

And there is more.

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ciko83, have you really checked those on your own? I haven't checked it. It would be amazing if they were true. I will try to do it on Microsoft word. I'll tell people the results here.

[paulpablo]

beacuse there are thousands of nummerical miracles in quran wich are even connected with nature.

lets take this for example, Word neutron (NTRN) is mentioned in verse 18:39 in arabic text, what is special with that? neutron is 1,839 times heavier than electron

Word proton is mentioned in verse 18:37, what is special with that, proton is 1,837 times heavier than electron.

This is 18:37 translated a few times. There is no word proton.

Sahih International
His companion said to him while he was conversing with him, "Have you disbelieved in He who created you from dust and then from a sperm-drop and then proportioned you [as] a man?
Muhsin Khan
His companion said to him, during the talk with him: "Do you disbelieve in Him Who created you out of dust (i.e. your father Adam), then out of Nutfah (mixed semen drops of male and female discharge), then fashioned you into a man?
Pickthall
His comrade, when he (thus) spake with him, exclaimed: Disbelievest thou in Him Who created thee of dust, then of a drop (of seed), and then fashioned thee a man?
Yusuf Ali
His companion said to him, in the course of the argument with him: "Dost thou deny Him Who created thee out of dust, then out of a sperm-drop, then fashioned thee into a man?
Shakir
His companion said to him while disputing with him: Do you disbelieve in Him Who created you from dust, then from a small seed, then He made you a perfect man?
Dr. Ghali
His companion said to him, as he was conversing with him, "Do you disbelieve in Him Who created you of dust, thereafter of a sperm (drop), thereafter molded you as a man?

This is verse 18:39

And why did you, when you entered your garden, not say, 'What Allah willed [has occurred]; there is no power except in Allah '? Although you see me less than you in wealth and children,
Muhsin Khan
It was better for you to say, when you entered your garden: 'That which Allah wills (will come to pass)! There is no power but with Allah '. If you see me less than you in wealth, and children.
Pickthall
If only, when thou enteredst thy garden, thou hadst said: That which Allah willeth (will come to pass)! There is no strength save in Allah! Though thou seest me as less than thee in wealth and children,
Yusuf Ali
"Why didst thou not, as thou wentest into thy garden, say: 'Allah's will (be done)! There is no power but with Allah!' If thou dost see me less than thee in wealth and sons,
Shakir
And wherefore did you not say when you entered your garden: It is as Allah has pleased, there is no power save in Allah? If you consider me to be inferior to you in wealth and children,
Dr. Ghali
And if you had said as you entered your garden, cWhatever Allah decides (will be); there is no power except with Allah, (i.e., say: ma sha " É " Allah La hawla wala quwwata Éilla billah) (it would have been better for you.) In case you see me that I am less than you in wealth and children,

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as you can see, Word thunder is mentioned in two places in two different verses in quran, what is so special with that, both verses have same naumber of letters and same number of Words.

is this not Amazing?

We obviously have different interpretations of what it means to be amazing. I don't think it is amazing that two verses contain the words thunder and they both have the same number of letters why do you think it is amazing?

[ciko83]

beacuse there are thousands of nummerical miracles in quran wich are even connected with nature.

lets take this for example, Word neutron (NTRN) is mentioned in verse 18:39 in arabic text, what is special with that? neutron is 1,839 times heavier than electron

Word proton is mentioned in verse 18:37, what is special with that, proton is 1,837 times heavier than electron.

This is 18:37 translated a few times. There is no word proton.

Sahih International
His companion said to him while he was conversing with him, "Have you disbelieved in He who created you from dust and then from a sperm-drop and then proportioned you [as] a man?
Muhsin Khan
His companion said to him, during the talk with him: "Do you disbelieve in Him Who created you out of dust (i.e. your father Adam), then out of Nutfah (mixed semen drops of male and female discharge), then fashioned you into a man?
Pickthall
His comrade, when he (thus) spake with him, exclaimed: Disbelievest thou in Him Who created thee of dust, then of a drop (of seed), and then fashioned thee a man?
Yusuf Ali
His companion said to him, in the course of the argument with him: "Dost thou deny Him Who created thee out of dust, then out of a sperm-drop, then fashioned thee into a man?
Shakir
His companion said to him while disputing with him: Do you disbelieve in Him Who created you from dust, then from a small seed, then He made you a perfect man?
Dr. Ghali
His companion said to him, as he was conversing with him, "Do you disbelieve in Him Who created you of dust, thereafter of a sperm (drop), thereafter molded you as a man?

This is verse 18:39

And why did you, when you entered your garden, not say, 'What Allah willed [has occurred]; there is no power except in Allah '? Although you see me less than you in wealth and children,
Muhsin Khan
It was better for you to say, when you entered your garden: 'That which Allah wills (will come to pass)! There is no power but with Allah '. If you see me less than you in wealth, and children.
Pickthall
If only, when thou enteredst thy garden, thou hadst said: That which Allah willeth (will come to pass)! There is no strength save in Allah! Though thou seest me as less than thee in wealth and children,
Yusuf Ali
"Why didst thou not, as thou wentest into thy garden, say: 'Allah's will (be done)! There is no power but with Allah!' If thou dost see me less than thee in wealth and sons,
Shakir
And wherefore did you not say when you entered your garden: It is as Allah has pleased, there is no power save in Allah? If you consider me to be inferior to you in wealth and children,
Dr. Ghali
And if you had said as you entered your garden, cWhatever Allah decides (will be); there is no power except with Allah, (i.e., say: ma sha " É " Allah La hawla wala quwwata Éilla billah) (it would have been better for you.) In case you see me that I am less than you in wealth and children,

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as you can see, Word thunder is mentioned in two places in two different verses in quran, what is so special with that, both verses have same naumber of letters and same number of Words.

is this not Amazing?

We obviously have different interpretations of what it means to be amazing. I don't think it is amazing that two verses contain the words thunder and they both have the same number of letters why do you think it is amazing?

you can see it here

[Mystic]

What they are doing with neutron and proton is spelling the words backward, which is clever, since english reads the other way then arabic. Of course, they don't include the first letter of the word (meem) and (Alif) at the end of it, which is kind've dishonest. But I see what they are saying. It's another coincidence on top of many. This is interesting.

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Correction, they spell neutron forward, but spell proton backwards.

[paulpablo]

What they are doing with neutron and proton is spelling the words backward, which is clever, since english reads the other way then arabic. Of course, they don't include the first letter of the word (meem) and (Alif) at the end of it, which is kind've dishonest. But I see what they are saying. It's another coincidence on top of many. This is interesting.

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Correction, they spell neutron forward, but spell proton backwards.

So again god is kind of favoring people who can speak arabic again if even the secret clues he gives away can only really be understood by people who speak arabic. One word forwards one word backwards and so on, it's a bit of a stretch to believe this.

I don't have a clue what this is talking about all I see is ne te re ne or whatever then notron whatever that is, no idea how that relates to the neutron or if it did why that would be so important anyway.

I would try and debunk this by doing word counts on other books then coming up with coincidences but it's just too boring to even consider doing.

Numbers adding up in certain ways will never EVER EVER EVER EVER be considered by anyone who is intellectually honest as a sign that something is divine, please don't think I'm being closed minded but imagine what god could have done instead of this.

You think that gods best effort to reveal himself was via a book which is ridiculous enough but then think that clever literate people are more deserving of the little clues he puts in the book.

Is it fair to say that a lot of illiterate muslims believe simply out of fear of what's in the afterlife or fear of being killed as an apostate, as opposed to any logical or intellectual thinking?

Why do we never see god? Why do you believe that gods best effort to prove himself to you is via a man 1400 years ago writing a book? Well I guess you already showed you believe because of numerology and the predictions in the quran, because shoes can talk now and so on. Sorry but not only do I not believe these things I just can't bring myself to believe that Muslims actually believe this stuff, it has to be an act. I swear I'm not even proud of being an atheist or anything and I don't cheer on atheists as a side, I don't even call myself an atheist I guess I just am by default but I can't help feeling this isn't the case for religious people including Muslims, I can't help but get the impression you are TRYING to believe in this stuff.

[KichigaiNeko]

Tend to agree with you there paulpablo.

It's like that Camping guy only for muslims ..... and what is so great about a group of bedouins who finally discover writing 2000 years after the rest of the planet?

Seriously, after all is said and done we have heard this all before in a plethora of other so called sacred texts and only pedlers of faulshoods would come up with shit like this... sorry guys but this is fake.