Golden Ratio In Nature, Quran And Position Of The Kaba

[Mystic]

I can't help but get the impression you are TRYING to believe in this stuff.

Then I can't blame you if you can't help yourself. But I'm just intrigued by it.

It can mean Quran was written a later period than we think. It was said a lot of science became known during Imam Jaffar time, and he knew a lot of science and taught it, only that all really traces of that science was lost after the mongols destroyed everyhting. Who knows where this is leading....

It no where implies it's divine, it can be random, or if there is too many coincidences (ie. Iron number, different ratios, etc), it can be that really smart people who knew a lot things wrote it.

Or it can be "Aliens" conspiracy

Or it can be God testing us with Quran but he is lying in the book, we aren't suppose to follow it .

Or it can be a big coincidence which is intriguing in itself.

[ciko83]

like what?

A contradiction, will be asked on the day of judgement, and will not be asked: http://atheistforums.org/thread-15283.html

there are no contradictions , look here

Not asked or will be asked?
People will not be asked about their sins:

قَالَ إِنَّمَا أُوتِيتُهُ عَلَىٰ عِلْمٍ عِنْدِي ۚ أَوَلَمْ يَعْلَمْ أَنَّ اللَّهَ قَدْ أَهْلَكَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِ مِنَ الْقُرُونِ مَنْ هُوَ أَشَدُّ مِنْهُ قُوَّةً وَأَكْثَرُ جَمْعًا ۚ وَلَا يُسْأَلُ عَنْ ذُنُوبِهِمُ الْمُجْرِمُونَ {78}
[Shakir 28:78] He said: I have been given this only on account of the knowledge I have. Did he not know that Allah had destroyed before him of the generations those who were mightier in strength than he and greater in assemblage? And the guilty shall not be asked about their faults.
[Pickthal 28:78] He said: I have been given it only on account of knowledge I possess. Knew he not that Allah had destroyed already of the generations before him men who were mightier than him in strength and greater in respect of following? The guilty are not questioned of their sins.

فَيَوْمَئِذٍ لَا يُسْأَلُ عَنْ ذَنْبِهِ إِنْسٌ وَلَا جَانٌّ {39}
[Shakir 55:39] So on that day neither man nor jinni shall be asked about his sin.
[Pickthal 55:39] On that day neither man nor jinni will be questioned of his sin.
[Yusufali 55:39] On that Day no question will be asked of man or Jinn as to his sin.

What does this mean, it means that God shall not ask why did you this sin this day, why did you do that. When people come in front of God on the day of Judgment every person shall get book/document with his good and bad deeds, and when they come to God, he shall then ask them formal questions, like Did you pray, what did you do with you life, what deed you do with your youth, what did you do with your money. So God will not ask about their details of their sins because they will be presented in the document. How do I know that, Quran tells us that

God said in the quran:
18:49 The record of their deeds will be laid open and you will see the guilty, dismayed at what they contain, saying, ‘Woe to us! What a record this is! It does not leave any deed, small or large, unaccounted for!’ They will find everything they ever did laid in front of them: your Lord will not be unjust to anyone.

As you can see presentation of the deeds will be in the documents.


Will be asked:

الَّذِينَ جَعَلُوا الْقُرْآنَ عِضِينَ {91}
[Shakir 15:91] Those who made the Quran into shreds.
[Pickthal 15:91] Those who break the Qur'an into parts.
[Yusufali 15:91] (So also on such) as have made Qur'an into shreds (as they please).
فَوَرَبِّكَ لَنَسْأَلَنَّهُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ {92}
[Shakir 15:92] So, by your Lord, We would most certainly question them all,
[Pickthal 15:92] Them, by thy Lord, We shall question, every one,
[Yusufali 15:92] Therefore, by the Lord, We will, of a surety, call them to account,
عَمَّا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ {93}
[Shakir 15:93] As to what they did.
[Pickthal 15:93] Of what they used to do.
[Yusufali 15:93] For all their deeds.

Therefore, by the Lord, We will, of a surety, call them to account
Compare to this

18:49 The record of their deeds will be laid open and you will see the guilty, dismayed at what they contain, saying, ‘Woe to us! What a record this is! It does not leave any deed, small or large, unaccounted for!’ They will find everything they ever did laid in front of them: your Lord will not be unjust to anyone.

As you can see, God will call them to account with document , in the document they will find everythind they did. God will not ask why did you do this that day, why did you do that that day and year. No, he just give them documents with all their deeds and then if they say we are responsible for this , they God punish them or forgive them. But if someone say, no this is wrong, then God will make his body talk and witness what he did,

like God said in the quran:
41:20 When they come to it, their own hearing, eyes, and skins will bear witness to everything they had done.
21 They will say to their skins, ‘Why did you testify against us?’ and their skins will reply, ‘God, who gave speech to everything, has given us speech- it was He who created you the first time and to Him you have been returned-

Anas b. Malik relates:

We were in the company of Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) when he laughed until we could see his teeth. He said: “Do you know why I laughed?”

We said: “Allah and His Messenger know best.”

Thereupon he said: “It was because of a talk that a servant will have with his Lord (on the Day of Judgment). He will say: ‘My Lord, have you not guaranteed me protection against injustice?’ He will say: ‘Yes.’ Then the servant will say: ‘I do not deem valid any witness against me but my own self’ He will say: ‘Well enough will be the witness of yourself against you and that of the two angels who had been appointed to record your deeds.’ Then a seal will be set upon his mouth and his hands and feet will be commanded to speak and they would speak of his deeds. Then his mouth would be made free to talk and he will say (to his hands and feet): ‘Be off with you and may you perish. It was for your safety that I contended.’” [Sahîh Muslim: (2969)]

وَلَيَحْمِلُنَّ أَثْقَالَهُمْ وَأَثْقَالًا مَعَ أَثْقَالِهِمْ ۖ وَلَيُسْأَلُنَّ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ عَمَّا كَانُوا يَفْتَرُونَ {13}
[Shakir 29:13] And most certainly they shall carry their own burdens, and other burdens with their own burdens, and most certainly they shall be questioned on the resurrection day as to what they forged.
[Pickthal 29:13] But they verily will bear their own loads and other loads beside their own, and they verily will be questioned on the Day of Resurrection concerning that which they invented.
[Yusufali 29:13] They will bear their own burdens, and (other) burdens along with their own, and on the Day of Judgments they will be called to account for their falsehoods.

they will be called to account for their falsehoods , same answer as previous, they will be account with document. There is difference between call to account and ask? When God call to account with documents where their deeds are recorded, then there is no need to asked them for their sins?

وَلَا تَقْرَبُوا مَالَ الْيَتِيمِ إِلَّا بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ حَتَّىٰ يَبْلُغَ أَشُدَّهُ ۚ وَأَوْفُوا بِالْعَهْدِ ۖ إِنَّ الْعَهْدَ كَانَ مَسْئُولًا {34}
[Shakir 17:34] And draw not near to the property of the orphan except in a goodly way till he attains his maturity and fulfill the promise; surely (every) promise shall be questioned about.
[Pickthal 17:34] Come not near the wealth of the orphan save with that which is better till he come to strength; and keep the covenant. Lo! of the covenant it will be asked.
[Yusufali 17:34] Come not nigh to the orphan's property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength; and fulfil (every) engagement, for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).

Is covenant a sin? We all know that God will ask some questions about prayer, life, wealth, youth, but not details about sins.

فَلَنَسْأَلَنَّ الَّذِينَ أُرْسِلَ إِلَيْهِمْ وَلَنَسْأَلَنَّ الْمُرْسَلِينَ {6

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[Shakir 7:6] Most certainly then We will question those to whom (the messengers) were sent, and most certainly We will also question the messengers;
[Pickthal 7:6] Then verily We shall question those unto whom (Our message) hath been sent, and verily We shall question the messengers.
[Yusufali 7:6] Then shall we question those to whom Our message was sent and those by whom We sent it

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God says in quran about this:
28:65 On that Day He will call them, saying, ‘How did you respond to My messengers?’

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 14:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
Allah's Apostle said, "Noah will be called on the Day of Resurrection and he will say, 'Labbaik and Sa'daik, O my Lord!' Allah will say, 'Did you convey the Message?' Noah will say, 'Yes.' His nation will then be asked, 'Did he convey the Message to you?' They will say, 'No Warner came to us.' Then Allah will say (to Noah), 'Who will bear witness in your favor?' He will say, 'Muhammad and his followers. So they (i.e. Muslims) will testify that he conveyed the Message. And the Apostle (Muhammad) will be a witness over yourselves, and that is what is meant by the Statement of Allah "Thus We have made of you a just and the best nation that you may be witnesses over mankind and the Apostle (Muhammad) will be a witness over yourselves."
(2.143)

[paulpablo]

I can't help but get the impression you are TRYING to believe in this stuff.

Then I can't blame you if you can't help yourself. But I'm just intrigued by it.

It can mean Quran was written a later period than we think. It was said a lot of science became known during Imam Jaffar time, and he knew a lot of science and taught it, only that all really traces of that science was lost after the mongols destroyed everyhting. Who knows where this is leading....

It no where implies it's divine, it can be random, or if there is too many coincidences (ie. Iron number, different ratios, etc), it can be that really smart people who knew a lot things wrote it.

Or it can be "Aliens" conspiracy

Or it can be God testing us with Quran but he is lying in the book, we aren't suppose to follow it .

Or it can be a big coincidence which is intriguing in itself.

But you think they discovered the neuron and the proton 1000 years earlier than thought but instead of actually writing about it or doing scientific research of any kind they just wrote the one word "neuron" and one word "proton" in a book, one forwards one backwards, and instead of just telling the l numbers which relate to the proton and neuron they wrote them in a book where the chapters sort of have those numbers.

[ciko83]

What they are doing with neutron and proton is spelling the words backward, which is clever, since english reads the other way then arabic. Of course, they don't include the first letter of the word (meem) and (Alif) at the end of it, which is kind've dishonest. But I see what they are saying. It's another coincidence on top of many. This is interesting.

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Correction, they spell neutron forward, but spell proton backwards.

So again god is kind of favoring people who can speak arabic again if even the secret clues he gives away can only really be understood by people who speak arabic. One word forwards one word backwards and so on, it's a bit of a stretch to believe this.

I don't have a clue what this is talking about all I see is ne te re ne or whatever then notron whatever that is, no idea how that relates to the neutron or if it did why that would be so important anyway.

I would try and debunk this by doing word counts on other books then coming up with coincidences but it's just too boring to even consider doing.

Numbers adding up in certain ways will never EVER EVER EVER EVER be considered by anyone who is intellectually honest as a sign that something is divine, please don't think I'm being closed minded but imagine what god could have done instead of this.

You think that gods best effort to reveal himself was via a book which is ridiculous enough but then think that clever literate people are more deserving of the little clues he puts in the book.

Is it fair to say that a lot of illiterate muslims believe simply out of fear of what's in the afterlife or fear of being killed as an apostate, as opposed to any logical or intellectual thinking?

Why do we never see god? Why do you believe that gods best effort to prove himself to you is via a man 1400 years ago writing a book? Well I guess you already showed you believe because of numerology and the predictions in the quran, because shoes can talk now and so on. Sorry but not only do I not believe these things I just can't bring myself to believe that Muslims actually believe this stuff, it has to be an act. I swear I'm not even proud of being an atheist or anything and I don't cheer on atheists as a side, I don't even call myself an atheist I guess I just am by default but I can't help feeling this isn't the case for religious people including Muslims, I can't help but get the impression you are TRYING to believe in this stuff.

Why do we never see god?

i have explained why we cant see God.


WHY GOD DOES NOT SHOW HIMSELF TO HUMANKIND?

What whoud happen if God showed himself to humankind?

1. Purpose of life would be destroyed.

God created us here to test us, how we shall behave, so this life is a test for us, and after our death we shall be judged and then rewared or punished,
depends on how we were here.So purpose of life is to be tested here, that is why we are here on earth.

How we know this

God says in quran:

67:1-2 Blessed be He(God) who has the Kingdom in His Hand! He has power over all things.
He who created death and life to test which of you is best in action. He is the Almighty, the Ever-Forgiving.

So if God showed himself to humankind the purpose of life should be destroyed, beacuse if all humankind see God and hear his voice, if he said, i will
throw you in hell if you dont worshipp me, and if you dont follow my book quran, i will throw you all in hell, how would it be then?

If this life is a test, is it easier to test a person who he/she really is in reality, is to hide a camera inside the room and see what is going on,
so it is the same, if God does not show himself and the people are not aware of God , when a person is alone he can do every sin he wants, but when he know that there is a hidden camera
somewhere in the room, he will not do sins and embarass himself. So if God does not show himself to us it is easier to test us, how we shall behave, and show
how we really are in reality.

2. Free WILL would be destroyed.

If God threatens humankind if we do some stuff, and he says, if you do that you will go to hell, would anyone dare to defy God, anyone???
So our free will would be destroyed beacuse we would not dare do what we want. and then it would be harder to test us beacuse we did not show our real
face how we are in reality.

3. Imppossible to live normally

If God would show himself to us, and threatens humankind if they do some things thay will go to hell, all humankind would be terrified, and would live in
fear al they life. Test would not be complited.

SO THE REASON WHY GOD IS NOT SHOWING HIMSELF TO HUMANKIND IS BEACUSE NOT TO DESTROY TEST, NOT TO DESTROY FREE WILL, AND SO PEOPLE WOULD LIVE NORMALLY
HERE ON EARTH.

What happened to Moses when he asked God to show himself to him?

God explains in quran what happened.

7:143 When Moses came for the appointment, and his Lord spoke to him, he said, ‘My Lord, show Yourself to me: let me see You!’ He said, ‘You will never see Me, but look at that mountain: if it remains standing firm, you will see Me,’ and when his Lord revealed Himself to the mountain,He made it crumble to dust: Moses fell down unconscious. When he recovered, he said, ‘Glory be to You! To You I turn in repentance! I am the first to believe!’

When shall we see God for the first time?

On the day of judgement people shall see God for the first time.

Seeing God in Afterlife
In Islamic doctrine, God cannot be seen in this life, but the believers will see God in the next life; even then, God will not be grasped in totality. This is stated clearly in the Quran and the Sunnah. The Prophet said,

“The Day Of Resurrection is the first day any eye will look at God, the Mighty and Exalted.”[1]

Describing the events of Resurrection Day, God states in the Quran:

“On that day some faces will be bright, looking at their Lord.” (Quran 75:22-23)

The Prophet was asked if we will see God on the Day of resurrection. He replied, “Are you harmed by looking at the moon when it is full?”[2] ‘No,’ they replied. Then he said, “Surely, you will see Him likewise.” In another hadith the Prophet said, “Surely, each of you will see God on the day when you shall meet Him, and there will be no veil or translator between Him and you.”[3] Seeing God will be a favor that is additional to Paradise on the people who will dwell therein. As a matter of fact, the joy of seeing God for a believer will be greater than the all the joys of Paradise combined together. The unbelievers, on the other hand, will be deprived of seeing God, and this will be greater punishment for them than all the pain and suffering of Hell combined together

[Mystic]

Then I can't blame you if you can't help yourself. But I'm just intrigued by it.

It can mean Quran was written a later period than we think. It was said a lot of science became known during Imam Jaffar time, and he knew a lot of science and taught it, only that all really traces of that science was lost after the mongols destroyed everyhting. Who knows where this is leading....

It no where implies it's divine, it can be random, or if there is too many coincidences (ie. Iron number, different ratios, etc), it can be that really smart people who knew a lot things wrote it.

Or it can be "Aliens" conspiracy

Or it can be God testing us with Quran but he is lying in the book, we aren't suppose to follow it .

Or it can be a big coincidence which is intriguing in itself.

But you think they discovered the neuron and the proton 1000 years earlier than thought but instead of actually writing about it or doing scientific research of any kind they just wrote the one word "neuron" and one word "proton" in a book, one forwards one backwards, and instead of just telling the l numbers which relate to the proton and neuron they wrote them in a book where the chapters sort of have those numbers.

Well they might've written about it but the books became lost due to the Mongolian invasion.

They also could have thought it might be a neat way of convincing people centuries later, that this book was divine...

[ciko83]

ATTENTION PEOPLE, YOU CAN TEST THIS WITH YOUR OWN HANDS THAT I DONT LIE TO YOU

THIS TExt is from original quran in arabic. if you think this is coincidence that story starts at verse 9, not 1,

from verse 9 to verse 25 God talk about Young men in Cave who fled from their people, and in verse 25 God said how many years they stayed in the Cave, he said 309, and i copied this text from verse 9 to the Word 309, there is EXACTLY 309 WORDS. YOU CAN COPY THIS AND PASTE IN MICROSOFT WORD AND IT WILL COUNT FOR YOU 309 WORDS. AMAZING , I AM MEAN REALLY AMAZING BOOK

أَمْ حَسِبْتَ أَنَّ أَصْحَابَ الْكَهْفِ وَالرَّقِيمِ كَانُوا مِنْ آيَاتِنَا عَجَبًا
إِذْ أَوَى الْفِتْيَةُ إِلَى الْكَهْفِ فَقَالُوا رَبَّنَا آتِنَا مِن لَّدُنكَ رَحْمَةً وَهَيِّئْ لَنَا مِنْ أَمْرِنَا رَشَدًا
فَضَرَبْنَا عَلَىٰ آذَانِهِمْ فِي الْكَهْفِ سِنِينَ عَدَدًا
ثُمَّ بَعَثْنَاهُمْ لِنَعْلَمَ أَيُّ الْحِزْبَيْنِ أَحْصَىٰ لِمَا لَبِثُوا أَمَدًا
نَّحْنُ نَقُصُّ عَلَيْكَ نَبَأَهُم بِالْحَقِّ إِنَّهُمْ فِتْيَةٌ آمَنُوا بِرَبِّهِمْ وَزِدْنَاهُمْ هُدًى
وَرَبَطْنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ إِذْ قَامُوا فَقَالُوا رَبُّنَا رَبُّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ لَن نَّدْعُوَ مِن دُونِهِ إِلَٰهًا لَّقَدْ قُلْنَا إِذًا شَطَطًا
هَٰؤُلَاءِ قَوْمُنَا اتَّخَذُوا مِن دُونِهِ آلِهَةً لَّوْلَا يَأْتُونَ عَلَيْهِم بِسُلْطَانٍ بَيِّنٍ فَمَنْ أَظْلَمُ مِمَّنِ افْتَرَىٰ عَلَى اللَّهِ كَذِبًا
وَإِذِ اعْتَزَلْتُمُوهُمْ وَمَا يَعْبُدُونَ إِلَّا اللَّهَ فَأْوُوا إِلَى الْكَهْفِ يَنشُرْ لَكُمْ رَبُّكُم مِّن رَّحْمَتِهِ وَيُهَيِّئْ لَكُم مِّنْ أَمْرِكُم مِّرْفَقًا
وَتَرَى الشَّمْسَ إِذَا طَلَعَت تَّزَاوَرُ عَن كَهْفِهِمْ ذَاتَ الْيَمِينِ وَإِذَا غَرَبَت تَّقْرِضُهُمْ ذَاتَ الشِّمَالِ وَهُمْ فِي فَجْوَةٍ مِّنْهُ ذَٰلِكَ مِنْ آيَاتِ اللَّهِ مَن يَهْدِ اللَّهُ فَهُوَ الْمُهْتَدِ وَمَن يُضْلِلْ فَلَن تَجِدَ لَهُ وَلِيًّا مُّرْشِدًا
وَتَحْسَبُهُمْ أَيْقَاظًا وَهُمْ رُقُودٌ وَنُقَلِّبُهُمْ ذَاتَ الْيَمِينِ وَذَاتَ الشِّمَالِ وَكَلْبُهُم بَاسِطٌ ذِرَاعَيْهِ بِالْوَصِيدِ لَوِ اطَّلَعْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ لَوَلَّيْتَ مِنْهُمْ فِرَارًا وَلَمُلِئْتَ مِنْهُمْ رُعْبًا
وَكَذَٰلِكَ بَعَثْنَاهُمْ لِيَتَسَاءَلُوا بَيْنَهُمْ قَالَ قَائِلٌ مِّنْهُمْ كَمْ لَبِثْتُمْ قَالُوا لَبِثْنَا يَوْمًا أَوْ بَعْضَ يَوْمٍ قَالُوا رَبُّكُمْ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا لَبِثْتُمْ فَابْعَثُوا أَحَدَكُم بِوَرِقِكُمْ هَٰذِهِ إِلَى الْمَدِينَةِ فَلْيَنظُرْ أَيُّهَا أَزْكَىٰ طَعَامًا فَلْيَأْتِكُم بِرِزْقٍ مِّنْهُ وَلْيَتَلَطَّفْ وَلَا يُشْعِرَنَّ بِكُمْ أَحَدًا
إِنَّهُمْ إِن يَظْهَرُوا عَلَيْكُمْ يَرْجُمُوكُمْ أَوْ يُعِيدُوكُمْ فِي مِلَّتِهِمْ وَلَن تُفْلِحُوا إِذًا أَبَدًا
وَكَذَٰلِكَ أَعْثَرْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ لِيَعْلَمُوا أَنَّ وَعْدَ اللَّهِ حَقٌّ وَأَنَّ السَّاعَةَ لَا رَيْبَ فِيهَا إِذْ يَتَنَازَعُونَ بَيْنَهُمْ أَمْرَهُمْ فَقَالُوا ابْنُوا عَلَيْهِم بُنْيَانًا رَّبُّهُمْ أَعْلَمُ بِهِمْ قَالَ الَّذِينَ غَلَبُوا عَلَىٰ أَمْرِهِمْ لَنَتَّخِذَنَّ عَلَيْهِم مَّسْجِدًا
سَيَقُولُونَ ثَلَاثَةٌ رَّابِعُهُمْ كَلْبُهُمْ وَيَقُولُونَ خَمْسَةٌ سَادِسُهُمْ كَلْبُهُمْ رَجْمًا بِالْغَيْبِ وَيَقُولُونَ سَبْعَةٌ وَثَامِنُهُمْ كَلْبُهُمْ قُل رَّبِّي أَعْلَمُ بِعِدَّتِهِم مَّا يَعْلَمُهُمْ إِلَّا قَلِيلٌ فَلَا تُمَارِ فِيهِمْ إِلَّا مِرَاءً ظَاهِرًا وَلَا تَسْتَفْتِ فِيهِم مِّنْهُمْ أَحَدًا
وَلَا تَقُولَنَّ لِشَيْءٍ إِنِّي فَاعِلٌ ذَٰلِكَ غَدًا
إِلَّا أَن يَشَاءَ اللَّهُ وَاذْكُر رَّبَّكَ إِذَا نَسِيتَ وَقُلْ عَسَىٰ أَن يَهْدِيَنِ رَبِّي لِأَقْرَبَ مِنْ هَٰذَا رَشَدًا
وَلَبِثُوا فِي كَهْفِهِمْ ثَلَاثَ

[paulpablo]

If god just wants to test how well behaved we are then he has already destroyed the test himself by creating a book which threatens us with punishments in the afterlife like us swimming in eternal fire and so on.

You don't test how well behaved your children are by pointing a gun to their face then saying be nice.

[Mystic]

It's amazing Ciko83, but it doesn't mean God's the author or even that it's not a coincidence or that Mohammad is not the authority or that people after didn't author it and even if it means that, it can be a test like the Dajjal is a test in Islam and that we aren't suppose to follow it.

It's "evidence" but not 100% conclusive evidence. I can see how it strengthens you in faith. But it's another thing convincing someone not convinced by the Quran (like myself).

[paulpablo]

But you think they discovered the neuron and the proton 1000 years earlier than thought but instead of actually writing about it or doing scientific research of any kind they just wrote the one word "neuron" and one word "proton" in a book, one forwards one backwards, and instead of just telling the l numbers which relate to the proton and neuron they wrote them in a book where the chapters sort of have those numbers.

Well they might've written about it but the books became lost due to the Mongolian invasion.

They also could have thought it might be a neat way of convincing people centuries later, that this book was divine...

So the mongolians destroyed all the stuff about the proton and electron but kept the story about a man who built a boat for some animals during a flood, also the muslims instantly forgot all the proton and neutron science bit but remembered the part where muhammad has a really fast horse, why didn't they remember the important parts?

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You say it's like god has a hidden camera so he can see how well behaved we are, but again it isn't like this.

Its actually more like he has a hidden camera in a shop but he passed a note onto an illiterate staff member who couldn't speak the same language as every else in store, the note said

" follow these rules or burn and die horribly forever and believe I exist or you will be fucked"

How is that testing how well people behave? It's simply testing how much people believe notes they are given from strangers.

[Mystic]

Well they might've written about it but the books became lost due to the Mongolian invasion.

They also could have thought it might be a neat way of convincing people centuries later, that this book was divine...

So the mongolians destroyed all the stuff about the proton and electron but kept the story about a man who built a boat for some animals during a flood, also the muslims instantly forgot all the proton and neutron science bit but remembered the part where muhammad has a really fast horse, why didn't they remember the important parts?

Well most were killed. And most probably payed no intention to the science out there and books were not published on mass anyways.

Quran however remained, because, almost everyone had a Quran.

Anyways, it's all farfetch, our best bet is that it's a coincidence.

In the case of these two words, they appear all over the Quran, so there was a high chance you can cherry pick two verses with that ratio

Relax. Like Quran says "There is no force in religion".