Agnostic vs Atheist

[Darwinian]

Do you

A) Believe there's no God?

or

B) Not believe there's a God?

C) the possibility exists

C is not mutually exclusive to A or B

[lewlking]

C) the possibility exists

C is not mutually exclusive to A or B

By belief you mean with a 100% certainty? Because I am not 100% certain of either.

And thus cannot claim i believe in god or not. i can only state it is improbable god exists

[Joel]

So, you don't believe claims about a God, and you're not sure if he exists.

[lewlking]

So, you don't believe claims about a God, and you're not sure if he exists.

correct

[Darwinian]

C is not mutually exclusive to A or B

By belief you mean with a 100% certainty? Because I am not 100% certain of either.

And thus cannot claim i believe in god or not. i can only state it is improbable god exists

I would say that you either have a belief or you don't. Would you not say that belief is an absolute? You can't have half a belief.

A theist is someone who actually believes there is a god. You do not have that belief, therefore you are not a theist, therefore you are an atheist. You admit that you cannot know if there is a god or not so you must be an agnostic atheist.

[Whateverist]

Both atheists and agnostics view that conclusions should be based on logic, proofs, and evidence.

I don't see why this should be true. You know that your conscious mind is only one component of your total mind. Our human brain sits upon a perfectly good mammalian brain which is perfectly capable of wordlessly recognizing potentials in our surroundings, and initiating action before we consciously realize the reason. To restrict belief to logic, proofs and evidence isn't necessary and isn't always advantageous.

I know what is beautiful and what isn't without logic, proof or evidence. To think that what is beautiful can be completely captured in words is a mistake. Likewise with what is good. The conscious mind did not create this category either and it can no more decide what is good than it can decide what is beautiful. These things we recognize as much through the feelings elicited as by any exercise in categorization.

[lewlking]

Both atheists and agnostics view that conclusions should be based on logic, proofs, and evidence.

I don't see why this should be true. You know that your conscious mind is only one component of your total mind. Our human brain sits upon a perfectly good mammalian brain which is perfectly capable of wordlessly recognizing potentials in our surroundings, and initiating action before we consciously realize the reason. To restrict belief to logic, proofs and evidence isn't necessary and isn't always advantageous.

I know what is beautiful and what isn't without logic, proof or evidence. To think that what is beautiful can be completely captured in words is a mistake. Likewise with what is good. The conscious mind did not create this category either and it can no more decide what is good than it can decide what is beautiful. These things we recognize as much through the feelings elicited as by any exercise in categorization.

Yes i should rephrase that to many.

Yes the mammalian acts quicker, we need it for survival. but actions and conclusions arent the same thing.

[Simon Moon]

Do you

A) Believe there's no God?

or

B) Not believe there's a God?

C) the possibility exists

Very few atheists claim to know, with absolute certainty, that a god (or gods) does not exist. This is the 'agnostic' part of being an agnostic atheist.

An individual can accept that the possibility that a god may exist, and still be an atheist. For most atheists, atheism is not a dogmatic position, it is a provisional one.

Belief is the psychological state in which one holds a proposition as true. Therefore, belief is a binary mental state. Either one accepts the proposition that a god exists as true, or they don't. There is no intermediate state between belief and disbelief.