Joking vs mockery, respect or disrespect?

[Mystic]

Well, I agree with all you stated. I was just pointing to perhaps what is common fallacy when we judge other people's beliefs, we maybe putting them in our shoes and not realizing, it's from the perception of our own experience.

What I mean by "future self", is that you see yourself given your knowledge and experience, not able to succumb to a certain belief, given what ye know. For example, given what you believe now and the knowledge and experience you have now, you don't see yourself in the future believing "hell" to be morally alright regarding atheists. Moreover, you would find yourself "evil" where you to do that, given what you know and believe, and have experienced.

But you don't find necessarily that a person who believes Atheists go to hell is evil. But if he should see hell as you see it (universal perception), you should not be able to respect him, given that you can't respect a future understanding of yourself accepting it. Therefore, I'm saying it would be a contradiction, to talk of beliefs as evil in a universal perception way, but all we can really do, is explain why it seems evil or ugly for you to accept, given your knowledge and experience, while it's not necessarily evil for others to believe, given their limited experience (although it maybe evil for them to accept given their experience).

This is something no one really does. Something I haven't done either. But something I just realized now that I should do.

[thesummerqueen]

I would not respect my future self believing in hell because that would mean I had lost my ability to be skeptical of a place that hasn't a coon's chance...well, in hell...of actually existing. There's no good evidence for it. The disrespect would be because I had lost my integrity as a skeptic and reasoning person.

Now, if evidence for hell surfaced, I would merely accept it into the place I call reality. It's not about belief.

[Mystic]

I would not respect my future self believing in hell because that would mean I had lost my ability to be skeptical of a place that hasn't a coon's chance...well, in hell...of actually existing. There's no good evidence for it. The disrespect would be because I had lost my integrity as a skeptic and reasoning person.

Now, if evidence for hell surfaced, I would merely accept it into the place I call reality. It's not about belief.

Ok. You perceive integrity in being a skeptic and reasoning. Others believe it lies in faith in God and his true religion. Now if you apply the standard you put on yourself, from that standard that others should perceive integrity in being skeptic and reasoning as you understand, instead of faith, you should disrespect them as well logically.

However, if you apply the notion, that they have a limited understanding, perhaps didn't have an education you went through, perhaps didn't reason they way you did, perhaps don't see it how you see it, or perhaps there is other factors making them stick to faith, then you can maintain respect logically.

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I want to go on record as stating that my mockery is ALWAYS intended as a sign of disrespect.

However, I pride myself on being an Equal Opportunity Mocker. Any one who believes in absurd ancient superstitious bullshit deserves to have the shit mocked out of them.

That is all.

Gangster as usual. Everyone loves the Bad Ass. Maybe I should change to one, get the girls lol.

[Shell B]

I never find it important to respect strangers. I am always polite, at first, but everyone is responsible for their own states of mind. I cannot spend my whole life censoring myself and compromising my state of mind for the sake of others. Then again, you are, as always, a more tolerant and kind person than I, MK.

[Mystic]

I never find it important to respect strangers. I am always polite, at first, but everyone is responsible for their own states of mind. I cannot spend my whole life censoring myself and compromising my state of mind for the sake of others Then again, you are, as always, a more tolerant and kind person than I, MK.

I blame Minimalist. You guys were all super kind souls, but then he was all Bad Ass, and everyone was like, praising and kudusing him and repping him, and then everyone is like I gotta be like Minimalist, he got like so much reps.........

[Minimalist]

4 years on the same board....it's bound to happen.

I'm too old for gangster though. I just have no patience for people who pretend to live their lives to satisfy some prick of a god.

[Mystic]

Heh, don't worry about it. Everyone is different and is to be praised in their own way.

Perhaps I don't condemn foolishness as I should. Perhaps I am tolerant of it, because, I lived my life being foolish myself and don't want to condemn my past self.

[Nine]

Perhaps I don't condemn foolishness as I should. Perhaps I am tolerant of it, because, I lived my life being foolish myself and don't want to condemn my past self.

I despise my past self. It makes me strive to be better. Not that I'm criticizing your past self you might have been a fantastic old you, even better than the you now. I doubt that considering the times I've found myself trying to give you rep.

I don't think withholding respect until it is earned is a bad thing. I also think it is fair to call somebody out when they are saying or doing something stupid or behaving in a less than desirable manner. Its up to them to deal with that criticism. I would always prefer that people are straight with me and tell me I'm being an idiot. That way I can sit back and give it some thought. If we don't know were screwing up how do we know to try fix it?

[Mystic]

Perhaps I don't condemn foolishness as I should. Perhaps I am tolerant of it, because, I lived my life being foolish myself and don't want to condemn my past self.

I despise my past self. It makes me strive to be better. Not that I'm criticizing your past self you might have been a fantastic old you, even better than the you now. I doubt that considering the times I've found myself trying to give you rep.

I don't think withholding respect until it is earned is a bad thing. I also think it is fair to call somebody out when they are saying or doing something stupid or behaving in a less than desirable manner. Its up to them to deal with that criticism. I would always prefer that people are straight with me and tell me I'm being an idiot. That way I can sit back and give it some thought. If we don't know were screwing up how do we know to try fix it?

You bring excellent points. The thing is there is a compassionate/caring way of telling people. For example, when your parents criticize you, it can be harsh, but you can tell that it's out of caring.

For example, I told Jstrodel that there is a high chance he is mentally ill and is in denial from what I perceive. He didn't take as in insult or sensed malice, because of the way I stated it.

If you insult someone, it won't be taken as positive criticism. It will seen as malice in intent by the other party or at the very least disrespect.

Calling someone an idiot is a malicious way to insult somebody for not being as intelligent as you (at least from your perception of their intelligence and yours). It's a sign of arrogance and looks bad on the one stating it.

Perhaps we can say, "you are being foolish regarding this and that...".

[Shell B]

I blame Minimalist. You guys were all super kind souls, but then he was all Bad Ass, and everyone was like, praising and kudusing him and repping him, and then everyone is like I gotta be like Minimalist, he got like so much reps.........

Nah. You just think I was kind because I was, and hopefully still am, kind to you. That is because you are cool. If you were a dick, I would berate you for fun. I'm just not a good person.