God Loves Me, Too

[John V]

Just did a little research. Women who have multiple sex partners before first marriage are more likely to get divorced. However, I didn't see anything addressing sexual satisfaction specifically.

Regarding sexual compatibility/incompatibility, it seems not much research has been done. The few studies suggest that in this area perception may be reality. I.e., if the couple thinks they're compatible, they will be.

[Mister Agenda]

It makes perfect sense. I'm married 22 years and having the best sex of my life. You learn about each other as you go.

It makes perfect sense that you're lucky. You could be married 22 years and having the worst sex of your life.

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Only if you think sex is the most important part of a married relationship.

One needn't think sex is the most important part of a married relationship to think it's AN important part of a married relationship.

Atheists always say,"Yes but I can be good without God." But these same people, generally, are not good because they love God or their neighbor as themselves.

Fair cop on the God part, if a tad super over-obvious.

Their good is self-referential and not true good. They are good only to secure their own benefit, i.e. tit for tat, and are motivated only by preserving earthly goods.

You don't think we feel empathy and compassion for our fellow human beings. Tres' uncharitable.

They love themselves and the things of this world, like reputation, material gain, and hedonistic pleasures.

And like helping our fellow humans and making the world a better place.

Hell is hell, in part because the good refuse to define their lives by love of self and the world. People in Hell choose to go and remain there because they continue to pursue what they believe are the highest goods. They believe falsities are truths and evils are goods because they do not believe in God. And if asked, they would say they like it there because they get to pursue all the things they loved in life, even though they fail to attain them, since it places them in constant conflict with the other residents of Hell.

Despite this, God's mercy extends even into the depths of Hell. First, he does not take away free-will or intellect, since these are what make us human. Secondly, He prevents people in Hell from totally destroying each other from their need to control and use each other in the pursuit of what the mistakenly believe is good and true.

I'll do you the courtesy of not taking this rant seriously.

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What you are calling restrictions Christians see as guidelines and thus we see our lives being guided not controlled. Yes we allow ourselves to be guided, it is part of having a relationship with God our Savior.

I don't think it's fair to call something a 'guideline' that originally carried the death penalty. Just because the execution is no longer enforceable doesn't make it just advice retroactively.

[Faith No More]

Try your left hand amigo.

But sit on it first and wait for it to fall asleep.

[Mister Agenda]

But that doesn't show that non-belief leads to a loss in conscience, does it?

You're right. It's my opinion, I gained by theological studies. I also opine that the nastiness of some AF participants would be moderated by religious faith.

It's been my experience that nasty people who become religous remain nasty, they just don't use as many 'dirty' words while they are about it. It has not been my observation that people who are nice when they are religous turn nasty when they deconvert, although they tend to become less prone to worry about using 'clean' language.

[festive1]

John... Does this woman masturbate and know how to achieve orgasm on her own? (refering to the woman from the couple at the end of the clip)??
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp-jZyzQSms
It doesn't strike me that she does... Alien face hugger kissing... I appreciate this is an extreme example and people have different sexual desires, but... Having one's face partially eaten... I think most people find that unsexy.

Sorry, I don't watch videos here, and especially not of someone having their face partially eaten. The fact that you must resort to such admitted extremes should tell you that your argument is shit - just a projection of your bias against religion.

Why do you get a pass on the logic and burden of proof, while I do not? As far as I'm concerned, you're referencing shit someone pulled out of their ass 2000 years ago, why can't I pull shit out of my ass to disagree with the shit you're claiming as "truth" and "Devine mandate"? Why isn't my shit Devine? You're biased against my shit, and when you get right down to it, my shit smells the same as yours.
P.S. The video is a rather benign, 30 second clip from a TLC promo. No literal face eating involved, though there is some seriously gag worthy tonsil hockey. But I assure you, the woman, who managed to make it to her wedding day in her late-20's to mid-30's without kissing someone, in all likelihood has never gotten jiggy with herself.

[Neo-Scholastic]

...You don't think we feel empathy and compassion for our fellow human beings. Tres' uncharitable. ...
I'll do you the courtesy of not taking this rant seriously.

Thank you. I acted like a complete ass when I posted those, hence the apology thread.

[John V]

Why do you get a pass on the logic and burden of proof, while I do not?

Regarding burden of proof, it typically falls on the person making the initial claim. You hang out on an atheist board – you know that. If someone claims that the Bible puts many weird restrictions on sex, it’s up to them to support it. If someone claims that a woman is unlikely to develop a fulfilling sex life with only one partner, it’s up to them to support it.

Unfortunately there isn’t much research in this area. That brings us to logical arguments. We’re on equal footing with those. The readers judge whether they make sense. Maybe they agree with you, and think a woman is unlikely to discover that touching her clit feels good until she’s had multiple sex partners. To me that is quite illogical. Neither of us can prove our case because, as noted, research is lacking and anecdotal accounts don’t count for much.

As far as I'm concerned, you're referencing shit someone pulled out of their ass 2000 years ago, why can't I pull shit out of my ass to disagree with the shit you're claiming as "truth" and "Devine mandate"?

WTF are you talking about? I haven’t referenced the Bible at all in this line of the discussion.

P.S. The video is a rather benign, 30 second clip from a TLC promo. No literal face eating involved, though there is some seriously gag worthy tonsil hockey. But I assure you, the woman, who managed to make it to her wedding day in her late-20's to mid-30's without kissing someone, in all likelihood has never gotten jiggy with herself.

Your biased assurance of an anecdotal situation is completely worthless as evidence. You know that.

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It makes perfect sense that you're lucky.

It's not luck, it's commitment, communication, and experimentation. If you practice those you'll figure it out. Sex boils down to touch. It's not really that difficult.

[thesummerqueen]

My boss tries to tell me that people who have premarital sex/relationships are less likely to stay together if those relationships go long term rather than immediately getting married. Hilarity, because he's a Christian too - practically bible thumping. Why is it only the more deeply religious who say this? Correlation. Correlation.

Again, John, I won't repeat all the things Festive has said, but your values betray you as you imply that keeping a bond with someone you originally formed one with is more important than having your other wants fulfilled. This implies further, or rather you seem to have blatantly stated, that everything else is unacceptably selfish, and not everyone holds this value. Mostly because we believe we have only one life to live (wasn't that a soap opera?) and would rather be as happy as possible rather than stuck with a schmuck who won't accommodate something we highly enjoy in life.

[John V]

My boss tries to tell me that people who have premarital sex/relationships are less likely to stay together if those relationships go long term rather than immediately getting married.

He's right and wrong. Studies show that:
- cohabitation before marriage is associated with higher divorce rates
- female promiscuity before marriage is associated with higher divorce rates
- female having premarital sex solely with her future husband and not cohabiting is not associated with higher divorce rates

Hilarity, because he's a Christian too - practically bible thumping. Why is it only the more deeply religious who say this? Correlation. Correlation.

Research says it. The NY Times doesn't thump Bibles, yet:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/15/opinio...d=all&_r=0

That's just one example. Doesn't take long with Google to find more.

Again, John, I won't repeat all the things Festive has said,

Good call, as her arguments bombed.

but your values betray you as you imply...

No, you infer. Please don't speak for me - quote what I said if you want to discuss it.

[Psykhronic]

Those damn females and their premarital sex. They should leave that to the men.