Young as 6 raped by troops in Congo who fled M23

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to get at, or how whatever it is constitutes an american fetish (or what sort of modification it would make upon the statement you offered it as a response to). Just spit it out man. It's not like you're going to be starved for choices here.

Whose losing their loved ones, what is the routine, what do you attribute this to?

[ideologue08]

You lower the IQ of your readers, did you know that? And it's no wonder, one look at where you're from explains it all.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, that was helpful, wasn't it? Did you really just resort to responding with "You're a dummyface" and leave it at that?

You did have something to say, did you not?

[Faith No More]

Goddamn, Rhythm, you can be so entertaining...

[festive1]

How about Ghana or Kenya or even South Africa?-none of which are perfect, but they're overall pretty stable. One needs to remember most of the continent did not operate independently of their colonial powers until the 1950's-1960's. These are still fledgling governments, especially those like Liberia and Sierra Leone which recently had civil wars. It's unfair to expect them to be fully developed at this point in time. Think of how the US was in 1830. Not to mention that most of these countries didn't choose their own borders and have to attempt to form a cohesive citizenship from very diverse groups of people, which is difficult to do. Look at Rwanda... The Hutus and Tutsies should never have been lumped together, they've never gotten along, but in pre-colonial times they avoided each other for the most part, but some guy in Europe decided that was the perfect boundary for the country. Also, China is now one of the biggest investors in Africa, they're edging out the West. This varies from country to country, but generally speaking... I think we're going to see a huge shattering of Africa, the formation of Southern Sudan being the beginning of this. It's going to get worse before it gets better.

[ideologue08]

Well, that was helpful, wasn't it? Did you really just resort to responding with "You're a dummyface" and leave it at that?

You did have something to say, did you not?

It wasn't intended to be helpful although I wouldn't expect you to know that of course. Strangely "dummyface" isn't a word I used, best of luck with your literacy.

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How about Ghana or Kenya or even South Africa?-none of which are perfect, but they're overall pretty stable. One needs to remember most of the continent did not operate independently of their colonial powers until the 1950's-1960's. These are still fledgling governments, especially those like Liberia and Sierra Leone which recently had civil wars. It's unfair to expect them to be fully developed at this point in time. Think of how the US was in 1830. Not to mention that most of these countries didn't choose their own borders and have to attempt to form a cohesive citizenship from very diverse groups of people, which is difficult to do. Look at Rwanda... The Hutus and Tutsies should never have been lumped together, they've never gotten along, but in pre-colonial times they avoided each other for the most part, but some guy in Europe decided that was the perfect boundary for the country. Also, China is now one of the biggest investors in Africa, they're edging out the West. This varies from country to country, but generally speaking... I think we're going to see a huge shattering of Africa, the formation of Southern Sudan being the beginning of this. It's going to get worse before it gets better.

I don't think anyone is expecting them to be fully developed, although I do expect them to have some morals and have something resembling a justice system. Even the Taliban have a justice system, it might be draconian and vile but it's there.

[The Grand Nudger]

Even the Taliban have a justice system, it might be draconian and vile but it's there.

Then what sense does it make to call it a "justice system"....rather than something entirely more fitting....like, oh, I don't know, a cruel and sadistic fetish?

[festive1]

DRC became independent in 1960. Up to that point it was ruled by one of the most brutal colonial regimes in Africa, and perhaps the world. Mobutu wasn't any better, and his regime ended in 1997. Under both of these regimes there were enormous human rights' violations. There has effectively been civil wars since 1997. I don't think it's hard to see that the current state of things in DRC are so violent because, in part, of it's very violent, repressive, not-so-distant past. How can a group of people who have known nothing but violence and repression from their governments, suddenly be peaceful?? That takes at least a few generations to work out, and a lot of willingness on all sides to stop the violence. It's just not there yet.

[cratehorus]

DRC became independent in 1960. Up to that point it was ruled by one of the most brutal colonial regimes in Africa, and perhaps the world. Mobutu wasn't any better, and his regime ended in 1997. Under both of these regimes there were enormous human rights' violations. There has effectively been civil wars since 1997. I don't think it's hard to see that the current state of things in DRC are so violent because, in part, of it's very violent, repressive, not-so-distant past. How can a group of people who have known nothing but violence and repression from their governments, suddenly be peaceful?? That takes at least a few generations to work out, and a lot of willingness on all sides to stop the violence. It's just not there yet.

western governments do not care who owns or runs the Congo these degenerates only serve their multinational conglomerates in and attempt to extract as much wealth from africa as possible, the congo is the richest mining territory int the world, so why would they care if M23 ruled the congo or not? why would they fight against a United Congo?

[Minimalist]

If only the Europeans had understood that you could not create "nations" by drawing lines on a map.

Ah well. Live and learn.