Homosexuality is a sin? Well, Xtians, what about these other 76 things?

[Ryantology]

Again, if it's less than absolutely persuasive, law is required.

Sure, and that's fine, but not all law is equal. And, it's much worse when the law is arbitrary and unfair. Why would anyone's conscience tell them it's wrong to work on a certain day of the week?

I also included the passage on being judged according to your own judgment, which works even if the person's conscience is far removed from god's law.

Guess I'm okay, then.

No, as all beings would have known evil. No new babies in heaven ya know.

Then, why not destroy it right now and be done with it, since we already know it?

Because men are evil, but most don't want to admit it.

Evil according to what standard? The arbitrary whims of a god are not a good standard for good and evil. Humans are the ones who have to actually experience good and evil and live with its consequences; God does not. Therefore, it is our definitions which should matter, rather than his.

[justin]

I gotta learn to drive a tank......

[ideologue08]

Again, if it's less than absolutely persuasive, law is required.

Sure, and that's fine, but not all law is equal. And, it's much worse when the law is arbitrary and unfair. Why would anyone's conscience tell them it's wrong to work on a certain day of the week?

I also included the passage on being judged according to your own judgment, which works even if the person's conscience is far removed from god's law.

Guess I'm okay, then.

No, as all beings would have known evil. No new babies in heaven ya know.

Then, why not destroy it right now and be done with it, since we already know it?

Because men are evil, but most don't want to admit it.

Evil according to what standard? The arbitrary whims of a god are not a good standard for good and evil. Humans are the ones who have to actually experience good and evil and live with its consequences; God does not. Therefore, it is our definitions which should matter, rather than his.

So if God says something is evil and prepares a lasting punishment for those who do that particular thing, surely God's opinion is the only one that matters here? Haha Kinda shows who's boss doesn't it. I mean this is obviously a trivial response. The angle you view things is entirely dependent upon what you initially believe. A person who believes that God is our Creator and All-knowing All-wise will not have the same opinion as someone who doesn't.

[Drich]

As it has been said by every generation of those that come after it.
Might I recommend you pick up a general history book and see what the old-timers had to say about kids in the 1920's... The music *gasp* The alcohol and drug usage *double gasp* Women wearing their hair short *faints*

The myth of the golden age. It's as old as the written word (and apparently a great deal older). People seem to feel the need to devalue the world - as they approach their exit. Guess it softens the blow. "Fuck this place, it's gone to hell anyway".

Famous last words of the last reigning generation of the Roman empire.

[Creed of Heresy]

Hey Drich, I had written up post before but my computer, the lovely machine that it is, died as I was finishing it up, which kind of left me going "ROAR!!!" and not feeling like typing it again [I loathe repeating myself]. Been out of it the last few days which hasn't helped. Tomorrow I'll rewrite the full post or as much as I can. However, I will say right now that I do not have an answer for your question about determining evidence for whether or not the Jews roamed the desert; I am not an archaeologist. I do remember reading stuff about the methods they used to try to pinpoint where to look and why they would be effective, and that they had used them to determine other sites of Jewish nomadic "campsites" and the like to a successful degree. I did a cursory search for it and couldn't find it.

So, if anyone knows what I am referring to, and can provide a link to the information that archaeologists have provided in determining desert nomadic encampments and settlements in the desert and how they would know where to look in a general sense, I would appreciate it, it would save me some time and some sanity. Google actually failed me but I might be looking for the wrong thing [I was looking for information regarding the exodus and archaeology]. If not, I'll go find it myself.

More tomorrow, hopefully.

[Big Blue Sky]

having sex with your uncles wife phahahahahahhaha I almost pissed my pants.

[festive1]

The myth of the golden age. It's as old as the written word (and apparently a great deal older). People seem to feel the need to devalue the world - as they approach their exit. Guess it softens the blow. "Fuck this place, it's gone to hell anyway".

Famous last words of the last reigning generation of the Roman empire.

LOL!!
Show of hands: Who wants to give up the modern world and go live in Ancient Rome? "Not I," said the little red hen...

[John V]

Sure, and that's fine, but not all law is equal. And, it's much worse when the law is arbitrary and unfair.

He'll judge you by your own judgment, which you presumably believe to be fair and not arbitrary somehow.

Why would anyone's conscience tell them it's wrong to work on a certain day of the week?

First, this is a benefit. Funny how atheists complain that God instituted the weekend. Second, note that the law was not imposed on Israel. It was offered to them, with reward if they should fulfill it, and they accepted it.

Guess I'm okay, then.

What if God can show you that you have in fact done things which you judge as wrong in others?

Then, why not destroy it right now and be done with it, since we already know it?

Because he's waiting for some people who haven't been born yet.

Evil according to what standard? The arbitrary whims of a god are not a good standard for good and evil. Humans are the ones who have to actually experience good and evil and live with its consequences; God does not. Therefore, it is our definitions which should matter, rather than his.

As noted, God will judge you by your own standards. Since you seem to be the one person with no hypocrisy, you'll do just fine.

[Drich]

Hey Drich, I had written up post before but my computer, the lovely machine that it is, died as I was finishing it up, which kind of left me going "ROAR!!!" and not feeling like typing it again [I loathe repeating myself].

this happens to me once aweek. just a few days ago I wrote 3 different posts same thread, and at the end of the third i notice NONE of them Made it up on the web site. Everything seemed normal its just where my three post should have been was a blank except for my stats.

Been out of it the last few days which hasn't helped. Tomorrow I'll rewrite the full post or as much as I can. However, I will say right now that I do not have an answer for your question about determining evidence for whether or not the Jews roamed the desert; I am not an archaeologist.

That's not even the heart of the question I asked. The heart of the matter is what does a 40 year long camping trip in the desert look like after 3500 years? Meaning what is left that the sun and the sand do not consume? Look at what is left of Egypt. If it wasn't a huge stone building, or purposly burried in the sands, there would be no trace of the civialization. So again, what does anyone hope to find in the desert 3500+ years after this 'camping trip' happened.

[Ryantology]

He'll judge you by your own judgment, which you presumably believe to be fair and not arbitrary somehow.

Unless I really am the perfect creator God I sometimes claim to be, holding me up to perfect standards is as unfair as allowing a perfect creator to have imperfect standards when it suits him.

First, this is a benefit. Funny how atheists complain that God instituted the weekend. Second, note that the law was not imposed on Israel. It was offered to them, with reward if they should fulfill it, and they accepted it.

First, taking a weekend off is great until I am forced to do so under penalty of death.

Second, did every Israelite take a vote? I find it rather unlikely.

What if God can show you that you have in fact done things which you judge as wrong in others?

What if? It's as true for me as anybody else. I'm an imperfect human and I have flaws. If my behavior is not correct according to my own standard, I should have to atone and, if applicable, give restitution to the people I have wronged.

Because he's waiting for some people who haven't been born yet.

Why?

As noted, God will judge you by your own standards. Since you seem to be the one person with no hypocrisy, you'll do just fine.

I should be. I hold no human being to standards which I believe I am above having to meet.

this happens to me once aweek. just a few days ago I wrote 3 different posts same thread, and at the end of the third i notice NONE of them Made it up on the web site. Everything seemed normal its just where my three post should have been was a blank except for my stats.

He works in mysterious ways, I guess.