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RE: beginning of The Universe theories
August 9, 2013 at 12:19 pm
(August 9, 2013 at 12:17 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(August 9, 2013 at 9:44 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: I know plenty of Christians and Muslims who aren't creationist(...)s.

Believing in creation (that God is the creator) and being a creationist (believing that God created the universe taking the metaphors literally rather than as intended) are two different things.

I think though that Nora meant it in the YEC kind of way, not 'I'm a believer, so yes, I think God started the universe for his reasons alone' Wink
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RE: beginning of The Universe theories
August 9, 2013 at 12:34 pm
Why do I get the feeling that the only place in the Universe that veegtrons are going to exist is as a perpetually running joke right here in this forum?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: beginning of The Universe theories
August 9, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Re: the OP, who does appear to have vanished anyway.

My theory as to the beginning of the Universe is as follows. Some thirteen to fourteen 'billion' years ago, the Universe began.

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At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: beginning of The Universe theories
August 9, 2013 at 12:42 pm
(August 9, 2013 at 12:17 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(August 9, 2013 at 9:44 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: I know plenty of Christians and Muslims who aren't creationist(...)s.

Believing in creation (that God is the creator) and being a creationist (believing that God created the universe taking the metaphors literally rather than as intended) are two different things.

Thank you for attending bible ed Great
Thanks, but I was the top of my year in RE at my Catholic School for 5 years. Big Grin

I figured, based on the context of the thing, that the OP was referring to the literal Genesis kind of belief in creation that even you would define as a wee bit mental.
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RE: beginning of The Universe theories
August 9, 2013 at 1:19 pm (This post was last modified: August 9, 2013 at 1:22 pm by fr0d0.)
You were pulling up John v and not the op with your correction Nora. John v's statement was perfectly correct.
(August 9, 2013 at 12:19 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: I think though that Nora meant it in the YEC kind of way, not 'I'm a believer, so yes, I think God started the universe for his reasons alone' Wink

A young earth creationist goes one step further than the creationist in asserting that the universe is only 6000 years old. Both take the bible "literally" (but not the text literally/ as it was originally intended). All Christians (I've ever heard of anyway) believe that God is the creator.
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RE: beginning of The Universe theories
August 9, 2013 at 3:52 pm
(August 9, 2013 at 1:19 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You were pulling up John v and not the op with your correction Nora. John v's statement was perfectly correct.
WTF are you talking about?

(August 9, 2013 at 1:19 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: A young earth creationist goes one step further than the creationist in asserting that the universe is only 6000 years old. Both take the bible "literally" (but not the text literally/ as it was originally intended). All Christians (I've ever heard of anyway) believe that God is the creator.
How does just believing in goddidit contradict the Big Bang theory at all? It doesn't. The OP implied it did, so therefore is very unlikely to be referring to anything other than YEC.
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RE: beginning of The Universe theories
August 9, 2013 at 4:23 pm (This post was last modified: August 9, 2013 at 4:27 pm by fr0d0.)
Sorry - I didn't realise you were quoting the OP, and I thought you were quoting JohnV - phone browing has been slow tonight.

OK I get what you're saying. Apologies. Yes I agree with you that the BigBang doesn't rule out God having any part of it. I think it's entirely consistent. So let's throw rocks at this guy... (no srsly Big Grin)
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RE: beginning of The Universe theories
August 9, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Who throws the first rock? Big Grin
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RE: beginning of The Universe theories
August 9, 2013 at 4:50 pm (This post was last modified: August 9, 2013 at 4:51 pm by fr0d0.)
me me me!

(did I say that out loud?)
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RE: beginning of The Universe theories
August 9, 2013 at 9:54 pm
I'd done a little looking up, and had excelent resposes, links and all... Kinda feel violated now... comencing sulk.
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