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RE: Why atheism is irrational
October 9, 2013 at 4:45 pm
(October 6, 2013 at 4:48 am)pocaracas Wrote: (October 5, 2013 at 10:41 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: The two are fundamentally different, yes. Because every operation in a computer is wholly reducible to a common type, or kind of function.
This is not true of a mind.
And artificial neural networks emulating brain behavior resolves nothing of the problem. This has been a well-accepted philosophical possibility for a long time.
Rather, the issue is nothing you have said, not even an abstraction layer, can explain the irreducibility of qualia to the functioning of the brain. Before you deny this, think about the sentence carefully. The answer is not "qualia is reducible to neural behavior", because qualia is not chemistry, it is sense experience.
yeah... you keep your delusion, I'll keep mine.
Live long and prosper.
If you see a machine displaying qualia in the future, remember me...
Way to throw the toys out of the pram, pocararas. 
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RE: Why atheism is irrational
October 9, 2013 at 5:55 pm
I'm not going to put out all the evidence that exists and suggests that all conscious processes arise from the brain, just to have you then say they prove nothing...
It's pointless and a waste of my time.
Hence, I let you wait it out until such a time as someone does turn on.... skynet.
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RE: Why atheism is irrational
October 9, 2013 at 8:24 pm
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(October 9, 2013 at 5:55 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I'm not going to put out all the evidence that exists and suggests that all conscious processes arise from the brain, just to have you then say they prove nothing...
It's pointless and a waste of my time.
Hence, I let you wait it out until such a time as someone does turn on.... skynet. If the head of cognition and brain science at University of California San Diego VS Ramachandran, a best-selling atheist neuroscientist and one of the four horseman Sam Harris, leading psychologist Stephen Pinker, leading philosophers of mind David Chalmers and Thomas Nagel all believe what I'm saying is true.
You think some two-bit internet atheist is going to convince me otherwise?
At the very least, what you can do is read on the position of some philosophers who disagree with qualia, like one of your own horsemen: Daniel Dennett in his book "Consciousness Explained".
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RE: Why atheism is irrational
October 10, 2013 at 3:41 am
(October 9, 2013 at 8:24 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: (October 9, 2013 at 5:55 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I'm not going to put out all the evidence that exists and suggests that all conscious processes arise from the brain, just to have you then say they prove nothing...
It's pointless and a waste of my time.
Hence, I let you wait it out until such a time as someone does turn on.... skynet. If the head of cognition and brain science at University of California San Diego VS Ramachandran, a best-selling atheist neuroscientist and one of the four horseman Sam Harris, leading psychologist Stephen Pinker, leading philosophers of mind David Chalmers and Thomas Nagel all believe what I'm saying is true.
You think some two-bit internet atheist is going to convince me otherwise?
At the very least, what you can do is read on the position of some philosophers who disagree with qualia, like one of your own horsemen: Daniel Dennett in his book "Consciousness Explained".
So you're telling me that some philosophers, bound by their own biases, and neuroscientists, who are restricted to current diagnostics, can't discern how the conscious mind arises from brain electrical impulses?... cheeessssshhh.... I wonder why?
At the very least, I can do... nothing.
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RE: Why atheism is irrational
October 10, 2013 at 3:46 am
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Antonio Damásio, his work on neuroscience is very interesting. "Descarte's Error", excellent book.
Uh, found a video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMrzdk_YnYY
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RE: Why atheism is irrational
October 10, 2013 at 5:39 am
(September 24, 2013 at 11:14 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Almost all atheism is irrational.
What do you mean almost?
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RE: Why atheism is irrational
October 10, 2013 at 5:44 am
Oh fantastic, you've found another thread to turn into your own personal fleshlight
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RE: Why atheism is irrational
October 10, 2013 at 9:29 am
(October 10, 2013 at 3:46 am)LastPoet Wrote: Antonio Damásio, his work on neuroscience is very interesting. "Descarte's Error", excellent book.
Uh, found a video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMrzdk_YnYY
Why stop there?
Here's another (listen very carefully to 6:00)
Here's something Vinnie might like a bit more...
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RE: Why atheism is irrational
October 10, 2013 at 4:02 pm
(October 10, 2013 at 3:41 am)pocaracas Wrote: (October 9, 2013 at 8:24 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: If the head of cognition and brain science at University of California San Diego VS Ramachandran, a best-selling atheist neuroscientist and one of the four horseman Sam Harris, leading psychologist Stephen Pinker, leading philosophers of mind David Chalmers and Thomas Nagel all believe what I'm saying is true.
You think some two-bit internet atheist is going to convince me otherwise?
At the very least, what you can do is read on the position of some philosophers who disagree with qualia, like one of your own horsemen: Daniel Dennett in his book "Consciousness Explained".
So you're telling me that some philosophers, bound by their own biases, and neuroscientists, who are restricted to current diagnostics, can't discern how the conscious mind arises from brain electrical impulses?... cheeessssshhh.... I wonder why?
At the very least, I can do... nothing.
No, that's what your own ignorance is telling you.
You're no different from a creationist.
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