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why don't atheists support scientology?
#71
RE: why don't atheists support scientology?
(October 11, 2013 at 11:05 am)leodeo Wrote: okay im sorry guys i will stop going there, I was pretty sad with all the harsh comments so i thought i'd quit forum, but reading through i guess maybe you guys are right and just trying to help me.

So thats okay i'll stop the scientology, i will pickup that "epistmotology" the german guy recommended a few pages back.

so what should i do now? i'm reading through but i feel like i have no purpose in life. The guy at scientology said being a scientologist changes everything. for example when a regular person walks by a guy who got hurt, he may say a prayer for him or ignore him...but when a scientologist walks by, he knows that he has to stop and help, because he is the only one who can! and that made me feel like life was worht living.

but if u guys think its all a scam ill becoming a epistemologist.

How old are you leo?

I suggest you become a humanist.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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#72
RE: why don't atheists support scientology?
(October 11, 2013 at 9:37 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Or perhaps Raelianism would appeal even more

You do know that the Raelian cult believe in intelligent design, don't you?
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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#73
RE: why don't atheists support scientology?
(October 11, 2013 at 11:36 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: try not to be a cunt.

Take your own advice and we'll all get along just fine Smile

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#74
RE: why don't atheists support scientology?
(October 11, 2013 at 11:36 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: But if you're laying in the gutter you chose to look up at the stars or lay face down in the shit. You aim yourself toward heaven not into the ground.
Or conversely, you stop waiting on an invisible hand to be offered and lift yourself out of the gutter.
Sword of Christ Wrote:It will still matter greatly to other people even you apparently don't care either way.
I'm sure it matters a great deal to other people, so long as they are alive to consider it. Once they are dead and gone it stops mattering. Once the Sun burns itself out and the Earth is a dead husk, it won't matter to anyone else, either. Why would I care about the condition of the planet several billion years after I am gone?
Sword of Truth Wrote:If you like the idea of being a lumbering robot whose only purpose is to serve as a vehicle for the DNA that controls it as Dawkins put it then you can believe that.
You seem to think that the important thing is belief, instead of truth. And that if you can ascribe certain beliefs to me, that somehow makes you feel better about yours? That doesn't make much sense to me.
Sword of Truth Wrote:It doesn't mean you're right or have any particularly good arguments though.
That was the point I was making. My beliefs don't change the truth of a matter, and neither do yours. Therefore it isn't the belief that is important, it is the truth.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

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#75
RE: why don't atheists support scientology?
(October 11, 2013 at 9:45 am)TheBeardedDude Wrote: I love that line "find out what is true for you" when it comes to learning about the universe. It essentially means, "I believe what I want to believe and say it's true."
Ding ding ding! They also apply the same 'thinking' to any criticism of Scientology.
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#76
RE: why don't atheists support scientology?
I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been discussed, but aren't Scientologists atheists? I mean, there aren't any Gods in Scientology, are there?

(Amusingly, I tried to look this up on scientology.org and found it was blocked because "This Websense category is filtered: Non-Traditional Religions and Occult and Folklore." Haha)
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#77
RE: why don't atheists support scientology?
(October 12, 2013 at 4:25 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been discussed, but aren't Scientologists atheists? I mean, there aren't any Gods in Scientology, are there?

(Amusingly, I tried to look this up on scientology.org and found it was blocked because "This Websense category is filtered: Non-Traditional Religions and Occult and Folklore." Haha)

They're a cult of personality as far as I see it. Hubbard is their god, in their mind. I suppose its debatable whether they lack any concept or belief in a god or gods.

What's not debatable is that they're all a load of space cadets.
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RE: why don't atheists support scientology?
(October 12, 2013 at 4:30 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:
(October 12, 2013 at 4:25 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been discussed, but aren't Scientologists atheists? I mean, there aren't any Gods in Scientology, are there?

(Amusingly, I tried to look this up on scientology.org and found it was blocked because "This Websense category is filtered: Non-Traditional Religions and Occult and Folklore." Haha)

They're a cult of personality as far as I see it. Hubbard is their god, in their mind. I suppose its debatable whether they lack any concept or belief in a god or gods.

What's not debatable is that they're all a load of space cadets.
I actually think Scientology is one of the less crazy religions. Most people are just too used to older religions to notice that they're a million times crazier.
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#79
RE: why don't atheists support scientology?
I'd say all the religions are equally nuts with the exception of Norse mythology because it's friggin' sweet. Pillage, plunder, drinks, babes, Odin?! Sign me up!

I don't know though, Scientology is so nuts even Christians stay away from those folks. How does it go? Something about an alien in a volcano? I don't even... Not that it matters because Christians shun whoever doesn't buy into their beliefs anyway.
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RE: why don't atheists support scientology?
(October 12, 2013 at 5:46 am)Heir Apparent Wrote: I'd say all the religions are equally nuts with the exception of Norse mythology because it's friggin' sweet. Pillage, plunder, drinks, babes, Odin?! Sign me up!

I don't know though, Scientology is so nuts even Christians stay away from those folks. How does it go? Something about an alien in a volcano? I don't even... Not that it matters because Christians shun whoever doesn't buy into their beliefs anyway.
Yeah, because an alien in a volcano is so much crazier than an invisible man in the sky, his zombie son, women turning into salt, talking snakes, etc. etc.
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