The Fly

[Foxaèr]

The world has more flies than humans.

[Sheed1980]

The way Prophet Muhammad saws told us to live our lives and how he showed us and told us to pray and make du'as and live as Muslims, keeping our bodies clean with istinjaa. Yes, all this was revealed to him from Allah. The way he ate dates to break fast, and the way he used miswak and the benefits of honey. The way he told us the stories of the previous prophets' pbut lives. All of these things he received as knowledge from Allah. Did he make mistakes? Of course he was only a human being. But he was the best example placed by Allah for mankind to follow. So again u have to believe the Qur'an and whatever else u think is right. I can't nor am I worried about making that decision for u. Allah is not going to judge me or anybody else on what u believe and don't believe. So what I believe are sound ahadith from our Prophet Muhammad saws Allah will judge me, on how I interpret them and use them to live my life and likewise He will not hold u or anybody else accountable for my deeds. So we have to follow our hearts and ask Allah to guide us to the truth. But I can't judge u nor any other human nor can u judge me. So yes Allah's peace be on Prophet Muhammad saws and all of us as His righteous servants.

How does my bold, go with your previous comment:

Sheed said:
What I said was in the Qur'an are the verses where Allah says "Nor does he (Muhammad) say aught of his own accord. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him" Surah 53:3-4. So Allah says here that all the knowledge the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has to tell us as mankind is received by God Allah's inspiration.

If everything Mohammed did was a revelation -by your own words-, then how did he -also by your own words- did mistakes?
Does God reveal mistakes ?

Why does God exposes Mohammed in Sura 33 ? in my previous comment?
Stop running and face this question; or we have no discussion.

Again:

So Allah says here that all the knowledge the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has to tell us as mankind is received by God Allah's inspiration.
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Did he make mistakes? Of course he was only a human being.

How does the above match?

Moreover:

[b]So Allah says here that all the knowledge the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has to tell us as mankind is received by God Allah's inspiration.
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The ahadith are the way that Prophet Muhammad pbuh applied the laws and knowledge he received from Allah.[/b]

?  I thought you said it was sent by God? The Hadith?

And worse, you're blaming your reasoning that gave birth to the contradiction on God.

And members of AF, this is why I LEFT THE SUNNI FAITH. 
The Shia version of Islam is even worse.

Again u misunderstand my point. I said the Prophet Muhammad saws was a human being and yes this means he erred and made mistakes. But the knowledge he received from Allah was not mistaken. Allah does not make mistakes. So I never said everything the Prophet saws did in his life was revealed as knowledge from Allah. But the things that were revealed to him from Allah was not mistaken but planned by Allah to His messenger to mankind. For example u as a Muslim I would assume u pray to Allah at least 5 times a day. Before u pray u make ablution or wudu. In the Qur'an Allah tells us to wash our faces, hands to the elbows, wipe the heads, and feet to the ankles with water. So when we rinse our mouths, and noses and blow the water out and cleanse our ears where does that come from? Things like this that we do every single day as Muslims are given in detail in the hadith so we know how to do it the way the Prophet saws did who is the best model for mankind to follow. Such as eating and drinking. Allah tells us in the Qur'an not to be like Shaitan. How do we know how to do this? So He sends knowledge to His messenger saws who tells us in a hadith don't eat and drink with our left hands, for Shaitan does these with his left. How about actions concerning Hajj? Allah gives the law of the do's and don'ts of the Hajj in the Qur'an, just as He gives the do's and don'ts of not being like the Shaitan in the Qur'an. However He doesn't go into detail on how to perform them. So without Him guiding the Prophet Muhammad saws in the Hadith, where Allah's revelation of knowledge to Muhammad saws shows him how to show us as His servants exactly what to do. If not, then we would just go to Mecca to the Ka'bah and follow all the verses of the Qur'an pertaining to Hajj (2:125, 2:158, 2:189, 2:196-198, 2:200-201, 2:203, 3:96-97, 5:1-2, 5:94-96, 9:2, 9:36-37, 22:26-29, 22:33, 22:36, 48:27) and then say we have completed the Hajj. Or we might say '" I'm Muslim and obeying Allah, so I'm not being like Shaitan" But with Allah granting the Prophet saws knowledge on exactly how to perform these things in detail, then we can receive extra blessings from Allah by following the path He gave to His messenger saws for us to follow. Allah speaks continuously in the Qur'an about being kind and respectful to each other as humans especially towards young children. So if He sends this message to all mankind through His messenger who sets the example of Allah's word, wouldn't u think he as Allah's messenger would do it the best way for us to follow? So how could u even think for a single second that our Prophet Muhammad saws, Allah's greatest example for mankind to follow, would do something to the nature of that false hadith u sent me? So again I agree with u that all hadith are not true, but we have to seek Allah's guidance and use our own judgment on which ones we want to follow as true. And again I am not judging u because u don't believe in any Hadith, and u shouldn't judge me as well. But an interesting question to u is as a Muslim how do u do certain things like eating with just ur right hand, and making istinja and istibra(as a male) after excreting waste, and making wudu rinsing ur mouth and nose, among many other things that aren't listed in the Qur'an as how to do them, but are listed in Hadith? Wouldn't it seem like ur following hadith in certain ways even though u say they're not true? Something to think about my brother.

[WinterHold]

Again u misunderstand my point. I said the Prophet Muhammad saws was a human being and yes this means he erred and made mistakes. But the knowledge he received from Allah was not mistaken. Allah does not make mistakes. So I never said everything the Prophet saws did in his life was revealed as knowledge from Allah. But the things that were revealed to him from Allah was not mistaken but planned by Allah to His messenger to mankind. For example u as a Muslim I would assume u pray to Allah at least 5 times a day. Before u pray u make ablution or wudu. In the Qur'an Allah tells us to wash our faces, hands to the elbows, wipe the heads, and feet to the ankles with water. So when we rinse our mouths, and noses and blow the water out and cleanse our ears where does that come from? Things like this that we do every single day as Muslims are given in detail in the hadith so we know how to do it the way the Prophet saws did who is the best model for mankind to follow. Such as eating and drinking. Allah tells us in the Qur'an not to be like Shaitan. How do we know how to do this? So He sends knowledge to His messenger saws who tells us in a hadith don't eat and drink with our left hands, for Shaitan does these with his left. How about actions concerning Hajj? Allah gives the law of the do's and don'ts of the Hajj in the Qur'an, just as He gives the do's and don'ts of not being like the Shaitan in the Qur'an. However He doesn't go into detail on how to perform them. So without Him guiding the Prophet Muhammad saws in the Hadith, where Allah's revelation of knowledge to Muhammad saws shows him how to show us as His servants exactly what to do. If not, then we would just go to Mecca to the Ka'bah and follow all the verses of the Qur'an pertaining to Hajj (2:125, 2:158, 2:189, 2:196-198, 2:200-201, 2:203, 3:96-97, 5:1-2, 5:94-96, 9:2, 9:36-37, 22:26-29, 22:33, 22:36, 48:27) and then say we have completed the Hajj. Or we might say '" I'm Muslim and obeying Allah, so I'm not being like Shaitan" But with Allah granting the Prophet saws knowledge on exactly how to perform these things in detail, then we can receive extra blessings from Allah by following the path He gave to His messenger saws for us to follow. Allah speaks continuously in the Qur'an about being kind and respectful to each other as humans especially towards young children. So if He sends this message to all mankind through His messenger who sets the example of Allah's word, wouldn't u think he as Allah's messenger would do it the best way for us to follow? So how could u even think for a single second that our Prophet Muhammad saws, Allah's greatest example for mankind to follow, would do something to the nature of that false hadith u sent me? So again I agree with u that all hadith are not true, but we have to seek Allah's guidance and use our own judgment on which ones we want to follow as true. And again I am not judging u because u don't believe in any Hadith, and u shouldn't judge me as well. But an interesting question to u is as a Muslim how do u do certain things like eating with just ur right hand, and making istinja and istibra(as a male) after excreting waste, and making wudu rinsing ur mouth and nose, among many other things that aren't listed in the Qur'an as how to do them, but are listed in Hadith? Wouldn't it seem like ur following hadith in certain ways even though u say they're not true? Something to think about my brother.

Nah, wrong answer.

You said in this comment:

Sheed said:
"Nor does he (Muhammad) say aught of his own accord. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him" Surah 53:3-4. So Allah says here that all the knowledge the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has to tell us as mankind is received by God Allah's inspiration

"Aught" and "tell" are verbs, so technically you are taking zig zags around what you said? "aught" and "tell" are not "knowledge", they are actions; verbs; acts.
Please, take responsibility for what you wrote. Stop taking zig zags around your own words.

Stop spamming me with blocks of paragraph when you have nothing of value to say.

[Sheed1980]

Again u misunderstand my point. I said the Prophet Muhammad saws was a human being and yes this means he erred and made mistakes. But the knowledge he received from Allah was not mistaken. Allah does not make mistakes. So I never said everything the Prophet saws did in his life was revealed as knowledge from Allah. But the things that were revealed to him from Allah was not mistaken but planned by Allah to His messenger to mankind. For example u as a Muslim I would assume u pray to Allah at least 5 times a day. Before u pray u make ablution or wudu. In the Qur'an Allah tells us to wash our faces, hands to the elbows, wipe the heads, and feet to the ankles with water. So when we rinse our mouths, and noses and blow the water out and cleanse our ears where does that come from? Things like this that we do every single day as Muslims are given in detail in the hadith so we know how to do it the way the Prophet saws did who is the best model for mankind to follow. Such as eating and drinking. Allah tells us in the Qur'an not to be like Shaitan. How do we know how to do this? So He sends knowledge to His messenger saws who tells us in a hadith don't eat and drink with our left hands, for Shaitan does these with his left. How about actions concerning Hajj? Allah gives the law of the do's and don'ts of the Hajj in the Qur'an, just as He gives the do's and don'ts of not being like the Shaitan in the Qur'an. However He doesn't go into detail on how to perform them. So without Him guiding the Prophet Muhammad saws in the Hadith, where Allah's revelation of knowledge to Muhammad saws shows him how to show us as His servants exactly what to do. If not, then we would just go to Mecca to the Ka'bah and follow all the verses of the Qur'an pertaining to Hajj (2:125, 2:158, 2:189, 2:196-198, 2:200-201, 2:203, 3:96-97, 5:1-2, 5:94-96, 9:2, 9:36-37, 22:26-29, 22:33, 22:36, 48:27) and then say we have completed the Hajj. Or we might say '" I'm Muslim and obeying Allah, so I'm not being like Shaitan" But with Allah granting the Prophet saws knowledge on exactly how to perform these things in detail, then we can receive extra blessings from Allah by following the path He gave to His messenger saws for us to follow. Allah speaks continuously in the Qur'an about being kind and respectful to each other as humans especially towards young children. So if He sends this message to all mankind through His messenger who sets the example of Allah's word, wouldn't u think he as Allah's messenger would do it the best way for us to follow? So how could u even think for a single second that our Prophet Muhammad saws, Allah's greatest example for mankind to follow, would do something to the nature of that false hadith u sent me? So again I agree with u that all hadith are not true, but we have to seek Allah's guidance and use our own judgment on which ones we want to follow as true. And again I am not judging u because u don't believe in any Hadith, and u shouldn't judge me as well. But an interesting question to u is as a Muslim how do u do certain things like eating with just ur right hand, and making istinja and istibra(as a male) after excreting waste, and making wudu rinsing ur mouth and nose, among many other things that aren't listed in the Qur'an as how to do them, but are listed in Hadith? Wouldn't it seem like ur following hadith in certain ways even though u say they're not true? Something to think about my brother.

Nah, wrong answer.

You said in this comment:

Sheed said:
"Nor does he (Muhammad) say aught of his own accord. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him" Surah 53:3-4. So Allah says here that all the knowledge the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has to tell us as mankind is received by God Allah's inspiration

"Aught" and "tell" are verbs, so technically you are taking zig zags around what you said? "aught" and "tell" are not "knowledge", they are actions; verbs; acts.
Please, take responsibility for what you wrote. Stop taking zig zags around your own words.

Stop spamming me with blocks of paragraph when you have nothing of value to say.

Well to make it more clear for u everything that he says as a Prophet to mankind is not from his own knowledge but is inspiration from Allah. But how do u follow ways of the Prophet which are listed in some hadith and not the Qur'an but then u say u don't believe in them?

[WinterHold]

Well to make it more clear for u everything that he says as a Prophet to mankind is not from his own knowledge but is inspiration from Allah. But how do u follow ways of the Prophet which are listed in some hadith and not the Qur'an but then u say u don't believe in them?

?
My comment was:

"Aught" and "tell" are verbs, so technically you are taking zig zags around what you said? "aught" and "tell" are not "knowledge", they are actions; verbs; acts.
Please, take responsibility for what you wrote. Stop taking zig zags around your own words.

Stop spamming me with blocks of paragraph when you have nothing of value to say.

[Sheed1980]

Well to make it more clear for u everything that he says as a Prophet to mankind is not from his own knowledge but is inspiration from Allah. But how do u follow ways of the Prophet which are listed in some hadith and not the Qur'an but then u say u don't believe in them?

?
My comment was:

"Aught" and "tell" are verbs, so technically you are taking zig zags around what you said? "aught" and "tell" are not "knowledge", they are actions; verbs; acts.
Please, take responsibility for what you wrote. Stop taking zig zags around your own words.

Stop spamming me with blocks of paragraph when you have nothing of value to say.

All I can say to u is this. U know how I feel towards it and I know how u feel towards it. We can't judge each other, this is for Allah to do. He is The Wisest of judges. So we all can do ask is Him to do is guide us to His right path and live it according to what we feel is right in our hearts. This is why Allah tells us in the Qur'an "Die not except in a state of Islam". He doesn't say die as a Sunni, Sufi, or Shi'a so these are choices we have to make along with the differences within them. Just as Muslims who attack innocent Non-Muslims in the name of Allah. I can't judge them because I feel that is totally not right. This is for Allah to do. So may Allah forgive us for our wrongs, guide us to what is right and may He bless us with the best.

[Edwardo Piet]

Religious scripture isn't just ridiculous and cobbled together. It's boring too.

[WinterHold]

All I can say to u is this. U know how I feel towards it and I know how u feel towards it. We can't judge each other, this is for Allah to do. He is The Wisest of judges. So we all can do ask is Him to do is guide us to His right path and live it according to what we feel is right in our hearts. This is why Allah tells us in the Qur'an "Die not except in a state of Islam". He doesn't say die as a Sunni, Sufi, or Shi'a so these are choices we have to make along with the differences within them. Just as Muslims who attack innocent Non-Muslims in the name of Allah. I can't judge them because I feel that is totally not right. This is for Allah to do. So may Allah forgive us for our wrongs, guide us to what is right and may He bless us with the best.

But we must be testifiers and witnesses on the wrong deeds people do in this life:

(Sura 5 Verse 8 )   O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah, witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

If one is ignorant, it's fine. But when you see a crime in front of you, and persist to ignore it as if it didn't take place, then you're literally throwing this verse in the gutter


Islamists -like Al Qaeda and ISIS- practice all kinds of crimes, the first is murder, you must testify against them if you believe in the above verse.
Want proof? Ask Syrians and Iraqies.

Of course, you must also admit and testify, that the American army -for example- is practicing organised crime too in warfare by using retarded UAV strikes and going on with unjustified invasions.

Actually, Islamists and CIA make a perfect team :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

A cartoonist (even if he made fun of God, Mohammed and every prophet) doesn't deserve  to get killed because he didn't kill anybody.
That if you follow the Quran:

( Sura 2 Verse 178 )   O you who have believed, prescribed for you is legal retribution for those murdered - the free for the free, the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. But whoever overlooks from his brother anything, then there should be a suitable follow-up and payment to him with good conduct. This is an alleviation from your Lord and a mercy. But whoever transgresses after that will have a painful punishment.

(Sura 5 Verse 45 )   And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.


But if we follow the Sunna, the Hadiths, these verses magically get converted, and execution is not only about an "eye for an eye"; but it's for changing religion, having sex while married with another woman, etc.

No sheed, personally I will testify against this wicked religion that is called "Sunni faith".
Just like I shall do with the Shiite faith; Chop Chop to Sura 5 verse 8 ? Just like I would stand against nuclear weapons and the invasion of Iraq, and the religion of nationalism and the religion of imperialism 

[Sheed1980]

All I can say to u is this. U know how I feel towards it and I know how u feel towards it. We can't judge each other, this is for Allah to do. He is The Wisest of judges. So we all can do ask is Him to do is guide us to His right path and live it according to what we feel is right in our hearts. This is why Allah tells us in the Qur'an "Die not except in a state of Islam". He doesn't say die as a Sunni, Sufi, or Shi'a so these are choices we have to make along with the differences within them. Just as Muslims who attack innocent Non-Muslims in the name of Allah. I can't judge them because I feel that is totally not right. This is for Allah to do. So may Allah forgive us for our wrongs, guide us to what is right and may He bless us with the best.

But we must be testifiers and witnesses on the wrong deeds people do in this life:

(Sura 5 Verse 8 )   O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah, witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

If one is ignorant, it's fine. But when you see a crime in front of you, and persist to ignore it as if it didn't take place, then you're literally throwing this verse in the gutter


Islamists -like Al Qaeda and ISIS- practice all kinds of crimes, the first is murder, you must testify against them if you believe in the above verse.
Want proof? Ask Syrians and Iraqies.

Of course, you must also admit and testify, that the American army -for example- is practicing organised crime too in warfare by using retarded UAV strikes and going on with unjustified invasions.

Actually, Islamists and CIA make a perfect team :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

A cartoonist (even if he made fun of God, Mohammed and every prophet) doesn't deserve  to get killed because he didn't kill anybody.
That if you follow the Quran:

( Sura 2 Verse 178 )   O you who have believed, prescribed for you is legal retribution for those murdered - the free for the free, the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. But whoever overlooks from his brother anything, then there should be a suitable follow-up and payment to him with good conduct. This is an alleviation from your Lord and a mercy. But whoever transgresses after that will have a painful punishment.

(Sura 5 Verse 45 )   And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.


But if we follow the Sunna, the Hadiths, these verses magically get converted, and execution is not only about an "eye for an eye"; but it's for changing religion, having sex while married with another woman, etc.

No sheed, personally I will testify against this wicked religion that is called "Sunni faith".
Just like I shall do with the Shiite faith; Chop Chop to Sura 5 verse 8 ? Just like I would stand against nuclear weapons and the invasion of Iraq, and the religion of nationalism and the religion of imperialism 

But again ur judging on what people do themselves as opposed to what we are taught in the religion. I agree with u with ISIS, Al-Qaeda and all other terrorists groups. They are picking up a misunderstanding of Allah's word in the Qur'an and using it towards their own hatred. But as Allah says in the Qur'an no soul shall bear the burden of another. Just as there are Muslims who fornicate, drink alcohol, gamble, and commit every other sin that can be listed. There are good people and bad people. So all I can do as a Sunni Muslim, who I'm sorry u feel is wicked, is preach against these people that are doing wrong and spreading a bad name of our peaceful Islamic religion, pray that they are rightly guided, and show people what Islam is really about by living the right lifestyle and setting a good example for people to see that more Muslims around the world oppose the hatred violent acts of ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and terrorists. Then Insha'Allah they say to themselves "Islam must really be a good peaceful religion". They just have to realize that in our world there are some knuckleheads out there from all religious backgrounds. But as Allah also says "There is no compulsion in religion". So nothing is forced on any of us. So if these people don't mend their conduct and they continue to live these violent and hateful lifestyles all we can do is tell them "this isn't the way". They have to make the choice of whether they will change or not. Allah has promised that I will not answer to Him for their deeds nor will they answer to Him for mine. But we all shall answer to Him on how we live our lives and this is when we will be fairly judged.

[WinterHold]

But again ur judging on what people do themselves as opposed to what we are taught in the religion. I agree with u with ISIS, Al-Qaeda and all other terrorists groups. They are picking up a misunderstanding of Allah's word in the Qur'an and using it towards their own hatred. But as Allah says in the Qur'an no soul shall bear the burden of another. Just as there are Muslims who fornicate, drink alcohol, gamble, and commit every other sin that can be listed. There are good people and bad people. So all I can do as a Sunni Muslim, who I'm sorry u feel is wicked, is preach against these people that are doing wrong and spreading a bad name of our peaceful Islamic religion, pray that they are rightly guided, and show people what Islam is really about by living the right lifestyle and setting a good example for people to see that more Muslims around the world oppose the hatred violent acts of ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and terrorists. Then Insha'Allah they say to themselves "Islam must really be a good peaceful religion". They just have to realize that in our world there are some knuckleheads out there from all religious backgrounds. But as Allah also says "There is no compulsion in religion". So nothing is forced on any of us. So if these people don't mend their conduct and they continue to live these violent and hateful lifestyles all we can do is tell them "this isn't the way". They have to make the choice of whether they will change or not. Allah has promised that I will not answer to Him for their deeds nor will they answer to Him for mine. But we all shall answer to Him on how we live our lives and this is when we will be fairly judged.

I fell in your trap.

Never should've let you practice cheap tricks to deviate the main topic of discussion. From the inferiority of the Sunna to politics?
And blocks of paragraph, so long, so members and visitors don't read my comments? trying to evade the subject, eh?


There is no discussion between me and you, peace, I have no use for another ignorant in my life.