Jacob Wrestles With God

[Esquilax]

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.
And the most extraordinary claim I ever heard was the one atheists make.
Namely, that EVERY SINGLE instance of supernatural testimony by EVERY SINGLE human who EVER LIVED throughout the
ENTIRE COURSE OF HUMAN HISTORY are ALL false.

And would you still believe that this claim is more extraordinary than the one that we live in a universe full of magic and monsters, that all suddenly vanished when it was convenient, where deified metaphysical beings do battle in the hearts of men and the most powerful being in the universe is concerned with my sex life more than starvation, if you didn't have an ideological stake involved?

Basically, if you weren't such a complete and utter twat, would you still believe our "claim" to be the most extraordinary?

Got any evidence for that claim?

Yes: not a single one of those supernatural claims has ever, in the course of recorded history, been able to provide a shred of proof. And since the time of instantaneous, ubiquitous recording devices, no supernatural phenomena has ever, ever been recorded. Conveniently. That's the evidence I'd like to enter for that claim.

Not that it is our claim, of course. Our claim, so to speak, is merely that we don't believe those supernatural claims. We aren't denying your god, you petulant fool: we merely disbelieve until you can prove it.

The fact that you embarrass yourself by twisting into these dishonest knots rather than actually proving anything is just validation of our lack of belief in what you say.

[themonkeyman]

Relax.
The bible will still be there in a thousand years from now.
You have plenty of time.

I so wish I could believe that lol. Truth is over the last 100 or so years your bible has fell into decline I give it another 200 - 300 years tops.

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The persuasive burden of proof rests on the person who wants to persuade.

Are you actually kidding me. Well then I say that the Bible is a bunch of bull shit so for you to say otherwise I need you to prove it.

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Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.
And the most extraordinary claim I ever heard was the one atheists make.
Namely, that EVERY SINGLE instance of supernatural testimony by EVERY SINGLE human who EVER LIVED throughout the
ENTIRE COURSE OF HUMAN HISTORY are ALL false.

Got any evidence for that claim?

OK Lion I propose to you that God said that you must worship me. Now clearly the bible talks about me in various vague passages and if you try really hard (ie. do what most christians always do) you can make them fit lol.

So as your God I say give me £10,000 Immediately. Otherwise I ask for you to prove that I am not the second comming from before.

Also the reason you probably are expecting me in the sky well that was taken up wrong. What I mean is you will see me on Satellite TV which means you will see me from the sky

[MindForgedManacle]

I don't. Next?

Yes you do. You said Evil is ontologically 'opposite' to Good. Ontology is a subset of metaphysics. So, you believe evil has a metaphysical existence.

I don't assert "that". Next?

Try not quoting things out of context like a dishonest twat. You DID assert that, specifically that there is 'objective evil' ONLY if God exists, and you didn't justified that at all. I gave reasons why such is laughable and nonsensical. You are a liar, you make a habit out of this, just like in my thread on religious experience, among others. Can't help but think you do it purposefully when you cannot answer objections to your kindergarten theology.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. You do a lot of imagining and strawman wishful thinking about what I might say if I was the sock with two buttons for eyes that you are holding in your left hand.

You lie constantly, quote out pf context, and chuck out terms haphazardly. I call you on it and your hilarious fallacies. I don't think I'm in the wrong here.

'Liars for Jesus' is quite appropriate here, Lion.

[Ryantology]

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.
And the most extraordinary claim I ever heard was the one atheists make.
Namely, that EVERY SINGLE instance of supernatural testimony by EVERY SINGLE human who EVER LIVED throughout the
ENTIRE COURSE OF HUMAN HISTORY are ALL false.

Got any evidence for that claim?

That is infinitely less extraordinary than it is to claim that ANY SINGLE instance of supernatural testimony by ANY SINGLE human who EVER LIVED throughout the ENTIRE COURSE OF HUMAN HISTORY is true. The tiniest positive supernatural claim is more contradictory to what is known about the universe than the most sweeping claim that none have ever happened.

Got any evidence for even a single claim?