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January 18, 2014 at 4:25 pm (This post was last modified: January 18, 2014 at 4:26 pm by Sword of Christ.)
(January 18, 2014 at 4:17 pm)KUSA Wrote: The evidence is there is no god, no miracles, no witnesses to anything. Nothing, nothing, nothing!
We have evidence of strange unexplainable occurrences and events and there have been eyewitness accounts of strange unexplainable occurrences and events. They exist even if you reject them as invalid, hallucinations, fraud, conspiracies, superstitions, over active imagination or inconclusive. Certainly a lot of them will be but you can't know if they all are.
(January 18, 2014 at 4:19 pm)EgoRaptor Wrote: I think you just admitted that god doesn't exist.
No physical existence but he will have existence as an intelligence/consciousness behind the creation of the universe.
(January 18, 2014 at 4:25 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: [quote='KUSA' pid='586146' dateline='1390076247']
The evidence is there is no god, no miracles, no witnesses to anything. Nothing, nothing, nothing!
We have evidence of strange unexplainable occurrences and events and there have been eyewitness accounts of strange unexplainable occurrences and events. They exist even if you reject them as invalid, hallucinations, fraud, conspiracies, superstitions, over active imagination or inconclusive. Certainly a lot of them will be but you can't know if they all are.
(January 18, 2014 at 4:19 pm)EgoRaptor Wrote:
Quote:I think you just admitted that god doesn't exist.
No physical existence but he will have existence as an intelligence/consciousness behind the creation of the universe.
That is an easy cop-out. Intelligence & consciousness cannot exist without a physical form. I doubt that any of this will convince you though, as you are clearly an anti-materialist.
January 18, 2014 at 5:12 pm (This post was last modified: January 18, 2014 at 5:20 pm by KUSA.)
(January 18, 2014 at 4:25 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: We have evidence of strange unexplainable occurrences and events and there have been eyewitness accounts of strange unexplainable occurrences and events. They exist even if you reject them as invalid, hallucinations, fraud, conspiracies, superstitions, over active imagination or inconclusive. Certainly a lot of them will be but you can't know if they all are.
Show me a video of a miracle. I want to see an extreme burn victim heal instantly. I want to see an amputee grow new limbs. Show me something!
I bet you come up with nothing. You know why? Because there is nothing. 0.
(January 18, 2014 at 3:53 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: I may as well ask you for the evidence of atheism/materialism, you can't produce evidence for that either it's your belief/philosophy which you have for what you consider to be good reasons. You will need something you can physically observe and test in order to obtain scientific evidence. You can't do that to God and you can't do that to literally nothing that doesn't exist.
The minute you can prove to me that unicorns don't exist, I'll prove to you that god doesn't exist. Deal?
"If you cling to something as the absolute truth and you are caught in it, when the truth comes in person to knock on your door you will refuse to let it in." ~ Siddhartha Gautama
(January 18, 2014 at 4:31 pm)EgoRaptor Wrote: That is an easy cop-out. Intelligence & consciousness cannot exist without a physical form.
There essentially two ways of doing this.
1) Eternal/infinite matter/energy exists initially and consciousness is a product of matter/energy fully dependent upon it.
2) Eternal/infinite consciousness exists initially and matter/energy is a product of Eternal/infinite consciousness and is sustained by and interactive with it.
Theism postulates the latter and atheism/naturalism the former. Both are compatible with the physical universe we can observe but neither can be proven or demonstrated to be true by science.
Quote: I doubt that any of this will convince you though, as you are clearly an anti-materialist.
I can't really agree with materialism if it leaves no scope for freedom of will. You have neurons and chemicals, evolutionary instinct environmental stimulus within a physically deterministic system there. So if you decide to believe it you're claiming to be a robot who can't really decide anything therefore you nullified yourself from making a rational choice. There is only one rational choice you're free to make which isn't materialism.
(January 18, 2014 at 6:53 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: I can't really agree with materialism if it leaves no scope for freedom of will. You have neurons and chemicals, evolutionary instinct environmental stimulus within a physically deterministic system there. So if you decide to believe it you're claiming to be a robot who can't really decide anything therefore you nullified yourself from making a rational choice. There is only one rational choice you're free to make which isn't materialism.
Determinism is not the same as materialism.
And it is yet to be proven that a materialistic universe has only one predetermined outcome.
On the other hand your very theology denies the possibility of free will if your god has an ultimate plan for everyone.
If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71.
(January 18, 2014 at 3:42 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: If you already decided that you will only ever accept strict scientific evidence for God to begin with and it's impossible to have strict scientific evidence for God because God isn't physically existent then you can't really simply claim that there is no evidence for God. There are certain kinds of evidence which you already decided not to accept in favor of evidence that can't exist so.
Ah, well, see, there's your problem: I never said I'd only accept scientific evidence. I just said that the evidence you and yours provide is nonsense and insufficient for the types of claims you're making. So your premise here, and your smug little diagram, have just gone up in flames.
Quote:Philosophical evidence, historical evidence, subjective evidence, Biblical evidence. You can't have scientific evidence for God, though certainly what science has revealed about the universe so far demonstrates an incredible amount complex structure and well ordered balance. It gets to the point when a random chance coincidence would be more incredible than God.
That's not evidence, those are types of evidence. I believe I was asking for something specific, and you can cut the biblical evidence out right now, because you can't confirm the claims of the bible by referring to a part of the bible.
Quote:Here you go.
Holy fucking shit, that is the dumbest thing you could possibly have said at this point in time.
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(January 18, 2014 at 4:25 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:
(January 18, 2014 at 4:17 pm)KUSA Wrote: The evidence is there is no god, no miracles, no witnesses to anything. Nothing, nothing, nothing!
We have evidence of strange unexplainable occurrences and events and there have been eyewitness accounts of strange unexplainable occurrences and events. They exist even if you reject them as invalid, hallucinations, fraud, conspiracies, superstitions, over active imagination or inconclusive. Certainly a lot of them will be but you can't know if they all are.
(January 18, 2014 at 4:19 pm)EgoRaptor Wrote: I think you just admitted that god doesn't exist.
No physical existence but he will have existence as an intelligence/consciousness behind the creation of the universe.
I thought so.
(June 19, 2013 at 3:23 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Most Gays have a typical behavior of rejecting religions, because religions consider them as sinners (In Islam they deserve to be killed)
(June 19, 2013 at 3:23 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I think you are too idiot to know the meaning of idiot for example you have a law to prevent boys under 16 from driving do you think that all boys under 16 are careless and cannot drive properly
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
January 21, 2014 at 7:39 pm (This post was last modified: January 21, 2014 at 7:41 pm by Violet.)
(December 10, 2013 at 12:16 am)Chas Wrote: Advocating sociopathic behavior is not rational.
I would argue that sociopathy is the pinnacle of organic rationality. Unless, of course, we're using a definition of such wherein the content of said rationality is utterly irrelevant... in which case: sociopathy is exactly as rational as any other 'rationality'.
Advocacy might not be decidedly rational, on the other hand... so you could ultimately be right. Just... not in the way you likely thought you were.
(December 10, 2013 at 9:09 am)max-greece Wrote: The bitch of it is that I don't believe in Satan either - without whom Satanism seems a bit pointless.
But he's so pretty...
(December 10, 2013 at 9:41 am)LostLocke Wrote: Attacking people for the simple reason they think you are harmless is not revenge at all.
It's an instigative offensive action, not a defensive re-action.
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