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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 7, 2016 at 8:53 pm
(October 7, 2016 at 7:17 pm)Lek Wrote: (October 7, 2016 at 7:08 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: How could Simon Moon distinguish between 'your' god speaking to him or, let's say Zeus ?
And if Simon reports it was in fact Zeus that spoke to him, would you believe it ?
Let''s see what Simon has to say.
I'll let Simon speak for himself, but I'll answer as if it was directed at me as well. If a god actually showed up or spoke to me, that would be enough for me to go on to start believing in it. That just hasn't happened to me, and I have been an active believing Christian before.
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 7, 2016 at 10:51 pm
(October 7, 2016 at 8:53 pm)Jesster Wrote: (October 7, 2016 at 7:17 pm)Lek Wrote: Let''s see what Simon has to say.
I'll let Simon speak for himself, but I'll answer as if it was directed at me as well. If a god actually showed up or spoke to me, that would be enough for me to go on to start believing in it. That just hasn't happened to me, and I have been an active believing Christian before. "Those sounds, could be imitated!"
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 8, 2016 at 12:29 am
(October 7, 2016 at 7:08 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: How could Simon Moon distinguish between 'your' god speaking to him or, let's say Zeus ?
And if Simon reports it was in fact Zeus that spoke to him, would you believe it ?
How could I distinguish between 'your' god speaking to me, or let's say Zeus ?
And if I report it was in fact Zeus who spoke to me, would you believe it ?
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 8, 2016 at 12:31 am
(October 6, 2016 at 5:45 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: (October 6, 2016 at 5:10 pm)Lek Wrote: How about this?
John 8:1-11New Living Translation (NLT)
A Woman Caught in Adultery
8 Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, 2 but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them. 3 As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd.
4 “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”
6 They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8 Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.
9 When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. 10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
11 “No, Lord,” she said.
And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”
The scenario is different.
The divorce whores in "Christ's" church there feel their whoredoms have been consecrated in their church to the glory of the Lord, as it were.
Jesus told the prostitute to go and sin no more, here we have a denomination/schism that is actually consecrating a continuation of the offense, in Jesus name . I hope you see the difference there.
Damn, this is one of my better posts here. (fixed a typo, btw)
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 8, 2016 at 12:35 am
All one needs in relation to an answer to this thread can be answered in two words:
Cherry picking.
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 8, 2016 at 12:36 am
And to clarify further, I'm specifically referring to denominations that reject Christ's teaching forbidding remarriage following divorce, and Christ teaching that practice is actually adultery and clearly, is forbidden in the 10 Commandments, and that they allow such remarriages in their facilities, and provide approved pastors to consecrate such marriages. And such couples are then allowed to worship in regular services at those churches without repudiating their continuing adulterous relationship.
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 8, 2016 at 11:28 am
(October 8, 2016 at 12:36 am)vorlon13 Wrote: And to clarify further, I'm specifically referring to denominations that reject Christ's teaching forbidding remarriage following divorce, and Christ teaching that practice is actually adultery and clearly, is forbidden in the 10 Commandments, and that they allow such remarriages in their facilities, and provide approved pastors to consecrate such marriages. And such couples are then allowed to worship in regular services at those churches without repudiating their continuing adulterous relationship.
You're right on this one. That's a problem with religions. A human institution takes the place of following Christ.
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 8, 2016 at 1:45 pm
(October 7, 2016 at 6:44 pm)Lek Wrote: (October 7, 2016 at 6:19 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Every time someone makes an existential claim, my mind is open to the truth of that claim, including every theistic claim I have ever been presented with.
When I first read the Bible, I was still a believer. I was as sincere to know if it contained the truth as possible. Yet the god character described within, never made his existence apparent. Despite my pleading and openness. I then spent several years of study (at the university level, and self study) in hopes of finding said god. Again, this was a sincere search, not one to "disprove god". And still nothing.
So, how is it my fault? Why was Saul worthy of a Damascus road experience, but I'm not?
The problem we are having with this discussion, is that you are so deep in your bubble of belief, I think it is next to impossible for you to hypothetically put yourself in our position.
You want us to read the Bible with the goal of seeking the god, that you already believe exists. We don't believe that any god exists, so, without first being given a rational reasons to believe any god exists, we can't just skip from disbelief in the existence of any god, right to the Bible.
Can you possibly consider sincerely seeking the gods of the Hindus?
I can't deny your experience Simon. I only know mine. So obviously, you were having doubts for awhile. Did you leave the faith because those doubts finally overcame your desire to try to overcome them? If God spoke to you now would you believe him or are you just too far convinced that God doesn't exist to believe the experience? In other words, are you still open?
I am still open, but my openness is now tempered with a lot more knowledge.
For example, I understand how easy the human mind can be fooled. Even the most sane people are susceptible to: hallucination, confirmation bias, misinterpretations of sensory input, misinterpretation of nonstandard natural brain states, etc.
So, if a god does exist, and it wants to convince me of its existence, it would know exactly how to do so, without resembling any of the above possible natural explanations. If, on the other hand, said god communicates with me without me being able to differentiate it from a natural explanation, then how is it my fault for not being convinced?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 8, 2016 at 2:05 pm
(October 8, 2016 at 11:28 am)Lek Wrote: (October 8, 2016 at 12:36 am)vorlon13 Wrote: And to clarify further, I'm specifically referring to denominations that reject Christ's teaching forbidding remarriage following divorce, and Christ teaching that practice is actually adultery and clearly, is forbidden in the 10 Commandments, and that they allow such remarriages in their facilities, and provide approved pastors to consecrate such marriages. And such couples are then allowed to worship in regular services at those churches without repudiating their continuing adulterous relationship.
You're right on this one. That's a problem with religions. A human institution takes the place of following Christ.
But christ is a human invention so by your own words... you threw your own religion under the buss.
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 8, 2016 at 2:38 pm
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(October 8, 2016 at 1:45 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: I am still open, but my openness is now tempered with a lot more knowledge.
For example, I understand how easy the human mind can be fooled. Even the most sane people are susceptible to: hallucination, confirmation bias, misinterpretations of sensory input, misinterpretation of nonstandard natural brain states, etc.
So, if a god does exist, and it wants to convince me of its existence, it would know exactly how to do so, without resembling any of the above possible natural explanations. If, on the other hand, said god communicates with me without me being able to differentiate it from a natural explanation, then how is it my fault for not being convinced?
I hear and understand what you are saying. If God was to speak to you now, you would then believe in him and follow him. Since you are still open, I assume you feel it would actually be God speaking to you and not one of those things you mentioned above, to which you are susceptible as a human being. This would be because God has the power to make himself clear when he speaks to you despite these other human tendencies. And I'm not putting blame on you, rather I'm just relating the way I understand it to be.
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