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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
February 26, 2014 at 10:57 pm
Introduce them to that fine xtian, Jefferson Davis.
Quote:"It [slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God...it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts...Let the gentleman go to Revelation to learn the decree of God - let him go to the Bible...I said that slavery was sanctioned in the Bible, authorized, regulated, and recognized from Genesis to Revelation...Slavery existed then in the earliest ages, and among the chosen people of God; and in Revelation we are told that it shall exist till the end of time shall come. You find it in the Old and New Testaments - in the prophecies, psalms, and the epistles of Paul; you find it recognized, sanctioned everywhere.".
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
February 27, 2014 at 12:11 am
(February 25, 2014 at 11:00 pm)ThePinsir Wrote: (February 25, 2014 at 10:58 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: Oh, so you don't actually want to go to the trouble of doing the research yourself, you want us to do it for your lazy ass.
I literally said I was going to...
I figure you guys have already dealt with the issue before. If not, whatever.
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
February 27, 2014 at 12:29 am
(February 26, 2014 at 10:52 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: (February 26, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: So you have issue with someone being told not to kill their slave? you do realize you are quoting old testament law right? Christians do not observe the old covenant, thats what Jesus came to abolish.
First off that is not what that verse says at all. It's not saying "don't kill your slave." It's saying, "it's okay to beat them, just not too hard."
Secondly, Jesus clearly states in Matthew 5:17-19:
Jesus Wrote:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. The key Phrase being "till all is fulfilled" meaning the law will pass away at some point. If People were meant to live under the law than it would have been establsihed from the beginning, The law didn't exist until Moses.
Quote: (February 26, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: As for the first second one, its pretty good advice. You see there were a couple of famous slaves in the bible one was Joseph(whose life parallels the life of Jesus perfectly), because he was a faithful and righteous slave he became ruler of all Egypt. And the other is Daniel, a man brought into Babylon as a slave.
Here you are presenting a red herring. The point is the Bible condones slavery, not that it gives good advice about being a slave. Don't do what most theists do and blather on about everything other than what the topic is in order to confuse the point.
How am I presenting a red herring, I just gave two examples of slaves that were in that exact situation. I couldn't be more "on topic"
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
February 27, 2014 at 12:41 am
Um....you do understand that we generally regard your bible stories as utter bullshit, right?
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
February 27, 2014 at 12:52 am
(This post was last modified: February 27, 2014 at 12:54 am by SteelCurtain.)
(February 27, 2014 at 12:29 am)Huggy74 Wrote: The key Phrase being "till all is fulfilled" meaning the law will pass away at some point. If People were meant to live under the law than it would have been establsihed from the beginning, The law didn't exist until Moses. So when is the point when the law "passes away?" Clearly it wasn't because of Jesus, as you suggested. (See the very same, Matt 5:17-19)
(February 27, 2014 at 12:29 am)Huggy74 Wrote: How am I presenting a red herring, I just gave two examples of slaves that were in that exact situation. I couldn't be more "on topic" The topic of conversation was whether or not the Bible condoned slavery, not whether it gave some examples where being a slave worked out okay. A red herring is a logical fallacy where a person presents an argument that distracts from the issue at hand. Whether or not Nebudchadnezzar praised David is irrelevant. The point was that by even giving instructions to slaves or slave owners, the Bible acknowledges slavery, and by not condemning it, condones it.
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
February 27, 2014 at 1:23 am
(February 27, 2014 at 12:41 am)Minimalist Wrote: Um....you do understand that we generally regard your bible stories as utter bullshit, right?
Only the slowest of the slow amongst you..
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
February 27, 2014 at 1:32 am
Go talk to your snake, asswipe.
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
February 27, 2014 at 2:37 am
(February 27, 2014 at 1:23 am)Drich Wrote: (February 27, 2014 at 12:41 am)Minimalist Wrote: Um....you do understand that we generally regard your bible stories as utter bullshit, right?
Only the slowest of the slow amongst you..
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
February 27, 2014 at 3:05 am
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(February 26, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (February 26, 2014 at 6:57 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: You do know that the bible supports slavery, right?
I guess it supports slavery, if by "support" you mean the one story about God sending Moses Into Egypt to free 2 million slaves. and having to feed and provide water for them for 40 years.
That's one of the funniest stories in the Bible. When Israel and his thuggish sons went to Egypt Joseph gave the scum the best land. Then they lived off of Egyptian welfare for hundreds of years out of the limelight tending livestock. Finally a Pharaoh woke up one morning and said "let's put those lazy moochers to work." So he had them build two treasure cities. They whined like babies because they had to do some manual labor.
And then when they left Egypt the ungrateful thieves stole everything smaller than the Sphinx. Despite having all kinds of livestock they were too lazy to kill any of it to eat. They wanted to go back to Egypt where the living was easy and live off of Egyptian welfare.
Moses got ticked and killed thousands.
The first thing they did when they got out of the wilderness was to enslave other people. They were despicable.
(February 26, 2014 at 9:39 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Does it say that these bondmen and women were taken against their will? I clearly showed your where that was illegal. And I also explained they were allowed to go free in the year of Jubilee.
So a guy who ended up as a slave the day after the year of Jubilee would have to wait how long before he might have been set free?
I wonder why American slave owners didn't observe that tradition since they loved having slaves so much? Why didn't they follow the rules?
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
February 27, 2014 at 11:45 am
(February 27, 2014 at 12:52 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: So when is the point when the law "passes away?" Clearly it wasn't because of Jesus, as you suggested. (See the very same, Matt 5:17-19)
This explains it.
Galatians 3:
23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith,
27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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