When will theists bring something new and fresh?

[truthBtold]

The only thing fresh is the ink that is used to edit the bible to keep up with times..

[Jacob(smooth)]

Bullshit. Lots of people have solved epicurus paradox. To their own satisfaction at least. That their explanations do not satisfy you is no more significant than the fact that your explanations don't satisfy them.

Is it solved to you? Or not?
Cause some people can solve equations which have no solution if they divide by zero but I don't accept that kind of bs.

When I needed it to be, sure it was. Shit, the bible even gives an answer to it. Like all the best theist arguments it only works within its own context and thus is almost entirely useless to convince someone outside of that context.

[Foxaèr]

Do you think we will ever hear new arguments?

Only if they are apologists arguments. Otherwise, there may never be anything new derived from religion due to the fact that a religion and its deities are explicitly set in their ways. There can be nothing new to come from the Judeo-Christian religions because that would imply a new divine revelation would have to occur and be studied by theological scholars before it could be considered genuine. I am fairly certain it will not happen, because Christianity's Revelations has already been revealed. Revelations is the End Game. Nothing new can be revealed.

[Minimalist]

The only solution to Epicurus' is that 'god' is a delusion dreamed up by scared little shits who can't face reality.

[*Deidre*]

Faith (and thus religion) will always be built upon believing in something that has no evidence. This is why the 'arguments' to support it will never vary. Because there will never BE evidence, the definition of what draws people to faith, will never change.

What I'd like to see change, is theists to stop pretending like there is evidence to support their beliefs. There isn't. It's an exhausting strawman game if you get into a discussion with a theist. When I was a theist, I didn't really try to convince anyone to believe as I do. But, that's the problem with many theists, is that they want to assist people to converting, and thus...they think 'evidence' will help in this venture. But, either they don't know how to define evidence, or they just think non-theists/atheists are stupid. Not sure which is worse. lol

[Jacob(smooth)]

Faith (and thus religion) will always be built upon believing in something that has no evidence. This is why the 'arguments' to support it will never vary. Because there will never BE evidence, the definition of what draws people to faith, will never change.

What I'd like to see change, is theists to stop pretending like there is evidence to support their beliefs. There isn't. It's an exhausting strawman game if you get into a discussion with a theist. When I was a theist, I didn't really try to convince anyone to believe as I do. But, that's the problem with many theists, is that they want to assist people to converting, and thus...they think 'evidence' will help in this venture. But, either they don't know how to define evidence, or they just think non-theists/atheists are stupid. Not sure which is worse. lol

This. All of this.

[tor]

Faith (and thus religion) will always be built upon believing in something that has no evidence. This is why the 'arguments' to support it will never vary. Because there will never BE evidence, the definition of what draws people to faith, will never change.

What I'd like to see change, is theists to stop pretending like there is evidence to support their beliefs. There isn't. It's an exhausting strawman game if you get into a discussion with a theist. When I was a theist, I didn't really try to convince anyone to believe as I do. But, that's the problem with many theists, is that they want to assist people to converting, and thus...they think 'evidence' will help in this venture. But, either they don't know how to define evidence, or they just think non-theists/atheists are stupid. Not sure which is worse. lol

And pascals wager?

[*Deidre*]

Faith (and thus religion) will always be built upon believing in something that has no evidence. This is why the 'arguments' to support it will never vary. Because there will never BE evidence, the definition of what draws people to faith, will never change.

What I'd like to see change, is theists to stop pretending like there is evidence to support their beliefs. There isn't. It's an exhausting strawman game if you get into a discussion with a theist. When I was a theist, I didn't really try to convince anyone to believe as I do. But, that's the problem with many theists, is that they want to assist people to converting, and thus...they think 'evidence' will help in this venture. But, either they don't know how to define evidence, or they just think non-theists/atheists are stupid. Not sure which is worse. lol

And pascals wager?

Which asserts/suggests that we should live our lives ''as if'' a god exists? So, someone is only capable of being 'good' if he/she thinks a god 'may' exist? Pascal's Wager is one of the most ridiculous philosophical notions out there, my opinion.

How about...Live your life treating others with kindness and respect, regardless if you think a god exists or not. Forget about god, altogether. (Deidre's Wager :p)

Pascal's Wager is trite to me, because while it sounds so lofty, it has no solid merit to it, as I've met far too many theists who are assholes. Believing in a god hasn't caused them to treat others kinder, or live their lives in positive ways. It's just a useless label to make themselves feel superior to others.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Do you think we will ever hear new arguments?

Only if they are apologists arguments. Otherwise, there may never be anything new derived from religion due to the fact that a religion and its deities are explicitly set in their ways. There can be nothing new to come from the Judeo-Christian religions because that would imply a new divine revelation would have to occur and be studied by theological scholars before it could be considered genuine. I am fairly certain it will not happen, because Christianity's Revelations has already been revealed. Revelations is the End Game. Nothing new can be revealed.

Just write a new book, like Joseph Smith did.

[Cinjin]

In my previous topic I was complaining about hearing same arguments billion times. They are spoken in a different way but are still about the same thing.
Do you think we will ever hear new arguments? Where will they come from? Or we will hear same arguments for another 10000 years?

Yep. And the people making the will continue to think they are original.

Christianity will never make it 10,000 years. At the most, I'd wager that the christards only have about 500 years before we as a human collective finally put that vile disease where it belongs.

Once the rest of the Baby Boomers die off, it will leave only the Gen X moderates to maintain an already dying religion, and once they're gone you'll see a decisive and extremely fast decline in believers. Basically, when my generation dies out, you'll see the world really start to become free of the tyranny of christianity ... and likely all religion.

It's already happening. Church is a stupid waste of time and almost all of the christians I know admit that they only go for the social aspect of it all.
There's a billboard a few miles from my house that actually reads, "Not the church you grew up in. Come see the difference."
They know they're losing their grip as more and more people wake up and they're getting desperate as they see fewer and fewer parishioners in the pews.

Some day soon, the entire world will see Jesus the same way we see Zeus: a silly god from a primitive past, worthy of only our mockery and an occasional Hollywood fantasy movie.