gods' test

[chatpilot]

Point taken thanks for the clarification my friend.

[theVOID]

Point taken thanks for the clarification my friend.

Glad you agree as you are clearly more knowledgeable than me on the topic, means i must at least be on the right track.

[chatpilot]

Definitely on the right track Peter got the ball rolling and Paul ran with it lol basically.

[one step]

hello , this is Last_Ray
why you dispossess me ? what did I do ? and why this sharp way of dealing ? all we did is talking
A person asked some questions and I answered him ,
Also I don not have to makeup the answers by my brain , as long as they are already have been answered in the holy Quran or prophet Mohammad sayings .
Why you consider it preaching ?
Please : give me another try . and thanks .

[theVOID]

Copying and pasting arguments from various websites does not constitute good discussion.

[Tiberius]

Hey Last_Ray!

Bye Last_Ray!

(and while you're closing the door behind you, be a good boy and look up the phrase "permanently banned")

[A897]

i meant i missed the last sermon of last_ray...

It was something along the line of "Muhammad knew a simple observable fact, Muslims are too stupid in general to think for themselves therefore it must have come from Allah."

no wonder jesus is his son!

Technically no - Muslims proclaim that Jesus was but a prophet. I however proclaim that Jesus did not ever exist as a historical figure and emerged entirely from the lunacy we now know as St Peter.

yeah i know muslims believe jesus was only a prophet. I was referring it towards christens' point of view. i never thought that jesus can be a fictional character! but who wrote bible then??

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hahaaa last ray took his first step to get banned again!

[theVOID]

i meant i missed the last sermon of last_ray...

It was something along the line of "Muhammad knew a simple observable fact, Muslims are too stupid in general to think for themselves therefore it must have come from Allah."

no wonder jesus is his son!

Technically no - Muslims proclaim that Jesus was but a prophet. I however proclaim that Jesus did not ever exist as a historical figure and emerged entirely from the lunacy we now know as St Peter.

yeah i know muslims believe jesus was only a prophet. I was referring it towards christens' point of view. i never thought that jesus can be a fictional character! but who wrote bible then??

Consider this:

The first writings to appear about Jesus came from St Paul 30 years after the alleged death of Christ who, while writing 18,000 words on the Christian religion apparently knew absolutely nothing about Mary, the Virgin birth, Joseph, Bethlehem, the wise men, John the Baptist, the miracles, Judas betrayal etc, all the things that we associate with the Jesus story. Paul only ever mentioned the crucifiction, death and resurrection of Jesus but he never once talked about them happening on earth nor mentioned the idea that Jesus was ever alive on this planet. He often talked of Jesus using sentences like (paraphrased) "Jesus, had he ever been to earth would certainly not have been a priest" implying that Jesus had never been to earth. This also supports the court testimony of one of the very early Christians Peter from which i believe it all started, in court peter never claimed Jesus was a man, he referred to him as a guiding star in the sky whom he conversed with and received instruction, so it was no wonder he was seen by the Roman authorities to be a nut-job who did nothing more than disagree with Jewish tradition.

The first time the back-story of Jesus was established was in Mark around 70AD which was in fact written by an anonymous Greek who's work was attributed to the disciple Mark, it is a similar story for the other gospel accounts which were also written much latter and, surprisingly, directly contradict each others version of events.

[chatpilot]

Great summary in a nut shell Void! I honestly grow weary of explaining those things so often but that is just me I guess.

[ib.me.ub]

@Ugly animal man. Firstly, don't put words into my mouth. The two arguments you have put forward to me have had no correleation to what I have said whatsoever. If you are trying to read between the lines, I suggest you look a little harder.

Next, I also find it very amusing how you make absoulte statements about certain subjects i.e

But you cannot pass on knowledge from one generation to the next in ths way.

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Isn't that why people are getting smarter, faster, stronger and better at the things we do!

People get smarter by education and by buidling on knowledge of previous generations captured on media (books, DVD, movie, what have you) or provided by that generation itself. Also there is the dynamic of culture that plays a significant role. So this is not the biological evolution but cultural evolution. We learn from each other. There may be a genetic effect also, but as far as I know it has not been verified yet. The common scientific take on this at the moment is that we are not smarter than Cro-Magnon, which is an early form of homo sapiens really.

Thirdly, Yes and if you look closely at my responce before this one I did mention the above informnation . How about you take my entire response and respond to that. If there is a question answer it, but chopping up sections of debate and responding to certain parts, and ignoring the other parts is sheer disregard to the dabate as a whole, and what is being said. It is the same as when media take a sound bite and make it look how they would like to portray it.

Your last point does not even merit a responce.



Can this statement be true then?


@THE void: You may refer to my signature....