For the Thinking Man.

[Rampant.A.I.]

In that case, would you say the ability to make difficult choices is more adaptive or less adaptive than by instinct alone?

Or problem solving. For example, the ability to build tools adapted to perform a task that would be arduous or impossible otherwise?

[Artur Axmann]

In that case, would you say the ability to make difficult choices is more adaptive or less adaptive than by instinct alone?

Or problem solving. For example, the ability to build tools adapted to perform a task that would be arduous or impossible otherwise?

instinct ,in a purely biological sense ,doesn't exist in humankind.

Everyone is a blank slate at birth.

Everyone is a product of their environment and education [upbringing]

At some point the ego develops which leads into the psychic progression enabling social coexistence .

[Bittersmart]

Your argument from ignorance? It's easy to refute a fallacy.

You believe that consciousness (and rational thought) could not have come from biological processes because you don't fully understand it how that's possible.

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After he answered every one else first and then we said something about it.

I explained .... but you haven't ...explained nichts.

Yes, you explained your argument, and then I explained why I think it's fallacious. You just keep stating something as true, but you need more than that. Just because you don't believe consciousness can arise through biological processes doesn't mean it cannot. Just because you believe rational thought cannot exist without intelligently-created consciousness doesn't mean that is the case. You made assumptions right from the get-go about materialism and rationalism.

[Ravenshire]

sorry, how did you refute my argument.. ? I somehow missed it..

It's not hard to intentionally miss someone's point.

[Artur Axmann]

sorry, how did you refute my argument.. ? I somehow missed it..

It's not hard to intentionally miss someone's point.

I don't run .. I still don't know what the point is..

[Cyberman]

Rational thinking lies outside the realm of evolutionary biology.
And that's true no matter how it develops.

Ok, so either goddidit or it's evolution - got it. Binary thinking. There can't possibly be any other options.

[Bittersmart]

It's not hard to intentionally miss someone's point.

I don't run .. I still don't know what the point is..

Read my last post. If it still eludes you, you may need more reading comprehension classes.

[Heywood]

instinct ,in a purely biological sense ,doesn't exist in humankind.

Everyone is a blank slate at birth.

Everyone is a product of their environment and education [upbringing]

At some point the ego develops which leads into the psychic progression enabling social coexistence .

All my kids, when they were new born, If I put my finger in their hands they would curl their fingers around mine, as if they were grabbing my finger.

I didn't need to teach them to do this. Apparently their slates were not clean as they knew how to do this from the moment they were born. I'm pretty sure that instincts are part of the human makeup. I had to teach them not to pull my finger by farting everytime they did though.

[The Grand Nudger]

IIRC....that particular behavior is reflex. Would have tried to grab you with their toes as well..for a time.

[Rampant.A.I.]

In that case, would you say the ability to make difficult choices is more adaptive or less adaptive than by instinct alone?

Or problem solving. For example, the ability to build tools adapted to perform a task that would be arduous or impossible otherwise?

instinct ,in a purely biological sense ,doesn't exist in humankind.

Everyone is a blank slate at birth.

Everyone is a product of their environment and education [upbringing]At some point the ego develops which leads into the psychic progression enabling social coexistence .

Tabula rasa theory of human consciousness doesn't seem to be true. Infants display a relatively complex grasp of moral behavior:

http://youtu.be/FRvVFW85IcU

We know historically from feral children that language ability doesn't develop independent of socialization.

But twins separated at birth will often (but not always) have strikingly similar characteristics later in life, from mannerisms speech patterns, to common interests, thought patterns and political views.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nat...twins2.htm