Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler

[Bob Kelso]

Were I to believe in a just, benevolent god I would, at the very least, expect some form of intervention when it comes to things like... oh, I don't know... the murdering of toddlers.

But no, you're right, that would just be whining for mummy to fix everything.

Do you read the shit you type or do you just breeze through your responses without giving it any real thought?

Again I ask, since you decided to skirt the question, why should God correct every problem we are responsible for, it is man who commits the sinful acts shouldn't we be held responsible for correcting things. Please try to answer the questions and stop your skirting.

GC

Skirting? No, I didn't skirt around your question, I fucking answered it;

I stand by what I said, hypothetically speaking if I were a believer, I wouldn't expect god to fix everything. I would, however, expect some form of intervention from him when it comes to shit like this.

Why do you believe God should fix everything people do wrong, shouldn't we not allowed to learn from our mistakes.

GC

Evidently your god didn't think so in the OT, so I certainly don't want to hear the bullshit free-will argument.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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Were I to believe in a just, benevolent god I would, at the very least, expect some form of intervention when it comes to things like... oh, I don't know... the murdering of toddlers.

But no, you're right, that would just be whining for mummy to fix everything.

Do you read the shit you type or do you just breeze through your responses without giving it any real thought?

Again I ask, since you decided to skirt the question, why should God correct every problem we are responsible for, it is man who commits the sinful acts shouldn't we be held responsible for correcting things. Please try to answer the questions and stop your skirting.

GC

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The Bible actually has a story about this. The God character was blabbing and he said that he gave men a long list of rules to see if they were stupid enough to follow them, such as sacrificing their children. His thinking was that if people were smart they would recognize that the rules were BS and wouldn't follow them. But they were dummies and some of them did.

Like the Job story the intent could be to see what the survivors do when they experience disasters. For instance, if a person claims to believe in God does he get all mopey when bad things happen or does he just accept it as part of God's will? After all, one of the model prayers is that God's will will be done on Earth as it is in heaven. So if a psychopath kills a believer's family why would the believer get all bent out of shape? It was God's will.

It's like the Pope riding around in the pope mobile. He's demonstrating through his actions that he doesn't trust God to keep him safe from harm. If he really believed in his favorite deity he would accept whatever happens to him because it's all part of God's will, which he said a prayer about at least once in his life.

So if there is a God as depicted in the Bible it's foolish for believers to get all bent out of shape when disasters strike them. It's all part of God's will and he's just checking to see if they really believe. Out of the over 7 billion people on the planet now I'll bet that fewer than 100,000 actually believe in God. All of the other professed believers are just faking it.

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Each paragraph is wrong in so many ways it's laughable. I wouldn't know where to begin to correct all the wrong.

GC

GC

If what you say is true about your limited abilities then maybe you should devote some time to improving them. After you do that you may be more capable of discussing complex issues.

[Godscreated]

Again I ask, since you decided to skirt the question, why should God correct every problem we are responsible for, it is man who commits the sinful acts shouldn't we be held responsible for correcting things. Please try to answer the questions and stop your skirting.

GC

Skirting? No, I didn't skirt around your question, I fucking answered it;

I stand by what I said, hypothetically speaking if I were a believer, I wouldn't expect god to fix everything. I would, however, expect some form of intervention from him when it comes to shit like this.

Why do you believe God should fix everything people do wrong, shouldn't we not allowed to learn from our mistakes.

GC

Evidently your god didn't think so in the OT, so I certainly don't want to hear the bullshit free-will argument.

If you do not want to hear the free will argument then you'll need to go to another thread. Because that is just what it is free will, you're free to choose God or hell, I had the same choice and chose God through the free will I have. People have screwed this world up because they have misused their free will and I think it's only just that man suffer for what he does through his free will.

GC

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Again I ask, since you decided to skirt the question, why should God correct every problem we are responsible for, it is man who commits the sinful acts shouldn't we be held responsible for correcting things. Please try to answer the questions and stop your skirting.

GC

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Each paragraph is wrong in so many ways it's laughable. I wouldn't know where to begin to correct all the wrong.

GC

GC

If what you say is true about your limited abilities then maybe you should devote some time to improving them. After you do that you may be more capable of discussing complex issues.

You call that junk you posted as complex, really? I'm the one who noticed how wrong you are on what you said, if you were able to bring reasonable thought we might have a good discussion.

GC

[Bob Kelso]

Skirting? No, I didn't skirt around your question, I fucking answered it;

I stand by what I said, hypothetically speaking if I were a believer, I wouldn't expect god to fix everything. I would, however, expect some form of intervention from him when it comes to shit like this.


Evidently your god didn't think so in the OT, so I certainly don't want to hear the bullshit free-will argument.

If you do not want to hear the free will argument then you'll need to go to another thread.

*puts on rage hat*

I said I don't want to hear the free-will argument because it's fucking ridiculous, your god has shit all over free-will according to your Bible.

What, your god decided to ignore free-will when he rained a fucking firestorm upon Sodom and Gomorrah, or when he killed every firstborn child of Egypt, or the time he drowned the entire goddamned planet, but if the OT isn't good enough for you how about when he sent his son/self to earth in a human meat-wrapper, healed the sick, and rose the bloody dead?!

Stop using the free-will argument GC, it's fucking tired bullshit.

*drops rage hat*

Because that is just what it is free will, you're free to choose God or hell, I had the same choice and chose God through the free will I have. People have screwed this world up because they have misused their free will and I think it's only just that man suffer for what he does through his free will.

GC

A brief video over the nature of skepticism vs. rejection, belief, and the false dichotomy of God or Hell. I know I'm probably wasting my time here, but the bit over false dichotomy starts at 5:12.

[Cyberman]

And what of the the free will of the children in the article? What decisions were they allowed to make for themselves? What can the little girl learn from the 'mistakes' of her killer?

This is exactly why I find the religious viewpoint disgusting right down to my stomach when they try to play this sort of con trick. Selling people lumps of semi-digested shit and swearing blind it's prime steak. I can never, ever, even in my wildest nightmares, find it within me to lower myself to that level.
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[Tonus]

Why do you believe God should fix everything people do wrong, shouldn't we not allowed to learn from our mistakes.

I wouldn't apply that reasoning to the case mentioned by the OP. Kimberly Lee Lucas appears to be a mentally unstable individual who murdered a child and almost murdered another. What does she learn from this "mistake"? What does the boy learn? The baby girl, sadly, doesn't learn anything from this "mistake." She is dead.

[Lek]

And what of the the free will of the children in the article? What decisions were they allowed to make for themselves? What can the little girl learn from the 'mistakes' of her killer?

This is exactly why I find the religious viewpoint disgusting right down to my stomach when they try to play this sort of con trick. Selling people lumps of semi-digested shit and swearing blind it's prime steak. I can never, ever, even in my wildest nightmares, find it within me to lower myself to that level.
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So what you're saying is that if there is a God then nothing should go wrong in the world? If there is a God should we be allowed to make our own decisions?

[Cyberman]

I wasn't saying that at all. I'm commenting on the theist views expressed in this thread, in that the children who were murdered/attempted murdered were somehow little more than pawns in the decisions of the woman who made the attempts on their lives. There's a parallel in your big book of multiple choice actually, when all the firstborn of Egypt were of no more consequence than collateral in the pissing contest between the Pharoah and the god-powered Moses. So I ask again, what price the free will of the children in the OP's article? What lesson could that little girl possibly learn? In other words, was their sole purpose in being born and living as they did nothing more than to exist as extras in some moral lesson for the woman who tried to kill them? Because if that is so, and this god of yours (or any god) truly is standing in the wings watching and allowing it all, then fuck your god, fuck its sick lessons and - if you consider it good and worthy of worship - fuck you too.

[Lek]

I wasn't saying that at all. I'm commenting on the theist views expressed in this thread, in that the children who were murdered/attempted murdered were somehow little more than pawns in the decisions of the woman who made the attempts on their lives. There's a parallel in your big book of multiple choice actually, when all the firstborn of Egypt were of no more consequence than collateral in the pissing contest between the Pharoah and the god-powered Moses. So I ask again, what price the free will of the children in the OP's article? What lesson could that little girl possibly learn? In other words, was their sole purpose in being born and living as they did nothing more than to exist as extras in some moral lesson for the woman who tried to kill them? Because if that is so, and this god of yours (or any god) truly is standing in the wings watching and allowing it all, then fuck your god, fuck its sick lessons and - if you consider it good and worthy of worship - fuck you too.

No. The children's purpose is to be with God for eternity. The same as ours. I won't step down to your level land make any nasty comments back.

[Ryantology]

So what you're saying is that if there is a God then nothing should go wrong in the world? If there is a God should we be allowed to make our own decisions?

It's like, I want to respond to this in the only rational way possible, but it will just result in Lek blaming infant mortality and natural disasters on gay dudes fucking. It's just not worth my time.