Another example of the "gay to straight" myth

[zanOTK]

There are ways of having children without having sex with someone. Also I doubt it would be that horrible an experience to have sex with someone you're not attracted to, until a baby is born.

You're missing my point. It's not possible (at least as far as I know) for a homosexual couple to have children that share the genes of both parents.

Actually, it is, or is quickly becoming, possible. At least for lesbian couples. There has been research into producing artificial sperm from one woman's cells to use to impregnate the mother. In this way, two women could have a child. Here's an article from 2002. I wasn't able to find any recent research, but perhaps somebody else can.
For now, homosexual male couples seem to be out of luck. But there has been work done on artificial wombs. Once that is perfected, that's just one more thing they won't have to worry about. But what about the egg? I haven't heard of any research being done to create eggs from male cells, but that doesn't mean it isn't or won't happen. Time will tell.

[Thumpalumpacus]

However I do ask myself if pedophilia can be treated why can't homosexuality? Further if someone wants to be treated for homosexuality....why should we prevent it?

You might look at the legal code for a clue.

Here's a hint: the former leads to illegal activities, while the latter doesn't in and of itself -- unless there are still some anti-sodomy laws flaoting around.


Myself, I'm curious why you care about who anyone else fucks.

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Also, we Texans would also appreciate it if Governor Goodhair would shut his fuckin' piehole.

[KUSA]

I don't know if conversion therapy is effective or not. However I do ask myself if pedophilia can be treated why can't homosexuality? Further if someone wants to be treated for homosexuality....why should we prevent it?

I wouldn't get excited about finding out a way to change someone's sexual preference. If they figure out how to turn a gay person straight they might learn how to turn a straight person gay.

Why would they do this you ask? Population control of course. Heywood you might find your ass getting wet when a man walks past you.

[zanOTK]

However I do ask myself if pedophilia can be treated why can't homosexuality? Further if someone wants to be treated for homosexuality....why should we prevent it?

You might look at the legal code for a clue.

Here's a hint: the former leads to illegal activities, while the latter doesn't in and of itself -- unless there are still some anti-sodomy laws flaoting around.


Myself, I'm curious why you care about who anyone else fucks.

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Also, we Texans would also appreciate it if Governor Goodhair would shut his fuckin' piehole.

The question is: if somebody WANTS to be treated for homosexuality, why should we stop it? You're ignoring that part. Heywood really doesn't care about who anyone fucks, if THEY care he feels they should be able to try to change their sexuality. It is as I said earlier: Most people won't want to do it. But some will. And if they really want to, let them. What we need to do is make sure they don't feel like they NEED it. Nobody should feel like their sexuality makes them less of a human being, or a bad human being.

[Napoléon]

Actually, it is, or is quickly becoming, possible. At least for lesbian couples. There has been research into producing artificial sperm from one woman's cells to use to impregnate the mother. In this way, two women could have a child. Here's an article from 2002. I wasn't able to find any recent research, but perhaps somebody else can.
For now, homosexual male couples seem to be out of luck. But there has been work done on artificial wombs. Once that is perfected, that's just one more thing they won't have to worry about. But what about the egg? I haven't heard of any research being done to create eggs from male cells, but that doesn't mean it isn't or won't happen. Time will tell.

Yeah, I think in the future it will be possible, after I made my earlier post I looked it up. Seems like there are plenty of experiments going on, with mixed results. I think it's only a matter of time though as you say.

However, as we currently are, I think my point stands. Someone may wish to 'choose' a heterosexual relationship if it gives them the kind of child they desire (one with genes from both parents). It's still hypothetical ofcourse, as we all know we cannot choose our sexual preferences. But I honestly think there could be an inordinate amount of reasons why someone might want to change their sexual preference, it's not always just about social stigma.

[Thumpalumpacus]

The question is: if somebody WANTS to be treated for homosexuality, why should we stop it? You're ignoring that part. Heywood really doesn't care about who anyone fucks, if THEY care he feels they should be able to try to change their sexuality. It is as I said earlier: Most people won't want to do it. But some will. And if they really want to, let them. What we need to do is make sure they don't feel like they NEED it. Nobody should feel like their sexuality makes them less of a human being, or a bad human being.

If someone wants to spend their money seeking therapy for their sexuality, that's their business. I'm not against them buying healing crystals, or going to a fundamentalist church, either. I ignored that part because I don't have an argument with that part, so long as it is voluntary.

MY question was why he cares. I think it is a fair question. Worrying about the sex lives of complete strangers is not normal behavior, and I want to know what drives that overweening nosiness.

[Chad32]

I think that's why they throw out the "corrupting the children" part. It's an attempt to find some way to make people concerned about what consenting adults do wwith their lives.

[zanOTK]

I think that's why they throw out the "corrupting the children" part. It's an attempt to find some way to make people concerned about what consenting adults do wwith their lives.

Doesn't corrupt the children as long as the sexual side of the relationship is kept private. As all sexual relationships should be. I'm not talking about PDA, of course. I'm just saying nobody has any right to claim it's doing any corrupting as long as they're not having sex out on the street corner. And if they are, their homosexuality doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.

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Worrying about the sex lives of complete strangers is not normal behavior, and I want to know what drives that overweening nosiness.

The fact that celebrities tabloids sell causes me to doubt your statement about sex lives.

[KUSA]

[SteelCurtain]

Yeah, I think in the future it will be possible, after I made my earlier post I looked it up. Seems like there are plenty of experiments going on, with mixed results. I think it's only a matter of time though as you say.

However, as we currently are, I think my point stands. Someone may wish to 'choose' a heterosexual relationship if it gives them the kind of child they desire (one with genes from both parents). It's still hypothetical ofcourse, as we all know we cannot choose our sexual preferences. But I honestly think there could be an inordinate amount of reasons why someone might want to change their sexual preference, it's not always just about social stigma.

I agree with you, Napoleon. It's a way of looking at it that I hadn't really considered.

However, as things stand right now, it's not possible. A person cannot change their arousal system. If there were gene therapies, I would absolutely support an adult's right to alter their sexuality, providing we did some serious ethical studies into the (surely) far reaching consequences of performing these therapies.

What people are supporting with these gay-to-straight therapies are CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy) based treatments. They are working on altering the behavior without altering the physiology. The physiology is what drives the behavior, not the other way around. So while you can produce extremely damaging effects from shame based treatments and using ammonia smelling salts when a man feels arousal to another man, you cannot induce arousal in that man to females. It is harmful. It can lead a person to reduced natural arousal, living in a netherworld approaching asexuality.

No. The answer is to normalize the behavior in society so that shame isn't a factor any longer. When someone is 13 and realizes they are gay, and it is just as normal to date another boy at school as it is a girl, this issue becomes moot.

If there ever comes a day when gene therapies are available for altering arousal---and they are proven to be effective---I would support the ability for adults to change their arousal systems for the purpose of being able to procreate, but not to 'fix' them.