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Perhaps I'm biased having spent what feels like the longest day of my life in a maternity ward recently.
Does it strike anyone as arrogant that priests assume the title 'Father'?
Did they have to remain calm whilst attempting to drive to hospital in the shortest possible time through heavy traffic?
Did they stand/sit beside a woman in pain that the most powerful drugs I've ever had barely touched for 19 hours?
Did they see a canula being inserted or see the person you're closest to getting cut to prevent a 4th degree tear? Did they spend 2 hours afterwards watching the surgeon working to stitch up the tear and cut, stem the bleeding and deal with a prolapse?
Did they get kicked out of a maternity ward at 6am and attempt to drive home after tearing themselves away from the 2 most precious people in the world to find somewhere, anywhere that sells coffee at silly o'clock?
Do they really deserve the title 'father'?
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
The pedophile label seems to be more in vogue now.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you
Perhaps I'm biased having spent what feels like the longest day of my life in a maternity ward recently.
Does it strike anyone as arrogant that priests assume the title 'Father'?
Did they have to remain calm whilst attempting to drive to hospital in the shortest possible time through heavy traffic?
Did they stand/sit beside a woman in pain that the most powerful drugs I've ever had barely touched for 19 hours?
Did they see a canula being inserted or see the person you're closest to getting cut to prevent a 4th degree tear? Did they spend 2 hours afterwards watching the surgeon working to stitch up the tear and cut, stem the bleeding and deal with a prolapse?
Did they get kicked out of a maternity ward at 6am and attempt to drive home after tearing themselves away from the 2 most precious people in the world to find somewhere, anywhere that sells coffee at silly o'clock?
Do they really deserve the title 'father'?
And that's why I never want to be a father.. I could not handle that situation.
(August 6, 2014 at 4:06 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: Perhaps I'm biased having spent what feels like the longest day of my life in a maternity ward recently.
Does it strike anyone as arrogant that priests assume the title 'Father'?
CONGRATULATIONS
I hope the little one is letting you get at least a little sleep since that long day at the maternity ward.
And no, very few clergy have the right to the title father. They don't behave like fathers to their parishioners. There are a few who do, but they are few and far between. But, I'd rather call them "father" than "reverend." There's arrogance. Or like bishops, "your grace."
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
Yes I find it arrogant that Catholic priests refer to themselves as fathers. I'm also deeply offended the title of 'Vicar of Christ' applies as well. Especially considering:
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
The context shows the concept of father applies to 'spiritual leadership' not to members of a family unit.
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists... and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible... would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?